Does anything go on with us before we are born? Do we chill at a specific place in Heaven waiting for our time to go to earth and begin life? Have we had conversations with God before we are born? I could go on with a million more random questions but I'll stop there lol.

I can think of quite a bit that goes on for about 9.5 months prior to birth. If you are talking about prior to conception we are going to have a more clear definition of "us" and "we".

of course, google seth, jane roberts

Given the huge overpopulation of Hell I think the vast majority of us comes from there.

pretty hard for anything to go on when you don't exist. i'd expect it's pretty close to what happens after you die.

stupid atheists always asking questions and using logic. GOD MADE US WHEN HE MADE US. WE CHILL WITH HIM AFTER WE DIE. UNLESS YOU ARE BAD. THEN SATIN POKES YOU FROM BEHIND.

Well since life begins when you first breath in at birth then I would say that before that you were non existant. Your body/shell was ready to hold your life but your true life didnt start unitil you breathed physical air.

Same with death, when you die you die. No passing unto another plane of existance or going to heaven.

Even a Christian still dies and has to await the return of Christ who will then raise them from the dead.

There are two perpectives on death. The one who dies which has no more conciousness and those around who are still alive.

From those around who are still alive there is time that passes by, but from from the dead's perspective since there is no sense of time, even though time goes on, they are not aware of it.

So the gathering together with Christ and going to heaven from the person who dies perspective is immediate to them because they have no consciouness or awareness of time. Although in actuality time marches on.

Its much like a sugery and going under anesthetics, you have no sense of time, you wake up and it seems as though you just went in, but many hours could have gone by.........

Nice of God to be so gentle.

I disagree. I am such a believer in free will that I believe we all choose to come here. I believe we choose the lives we will be in, and accept the challenges of those lives.

I also believe (not "know" just believe right now until I might not later on maybe) that everything happened at once. That is - my life was lived already before I got here. I think part of our challenge here is to make better choices than our predecessors. To choose peace and not hate. Forgiveness and not vengeance. To make This Side better.

I'm sure you mean well when you say this, but underlying that sentiment there is a really self-obsessed, self-congratulatory, callous type of logic there. Pletho himself has said that poor people don't deserve our help; your idea seems to support the logic of, "well, they chose poorly."

Your soul was created first and then it's ready to be shipped whenever the time of your birth rolls around. Imagine your mind free-floating without a body and without any experiences as a human on Earth. Yeah, just like that plus time doesn't affect you, so you can visit every corner of the universe instantaneously.

It chills somewhere in space.

So I guess abortion isn't so bad then. Soul can just wait for the next ride!

This train ride has one ticket only. Aborted souls got the shaft.

Now thats the goofiest thing I have ever heard, you cannot choose if you you do not exist.

Therefore you must think we exist before we exist. Which is 199% opposite of the what God teaches in the bible. So you either have your own version of the bible, ignore the bible or do not really care whats in the bible as long as it agrees with you then it maybe true.

Either way your ideas of God and mediumship being from God are way off base, like it or not.

I never said they do not deserve our help, I said a true Christian who is following their calling as stated in the bible does not have time to go and feed the poor africans. I think its sad that they are poor but that is not our calling.

We TEACH/FEED the word to people and the word helps them to make better decisions therefore they stop starving. The advesary has so twisted Christians into thinking things are from God and are what God wants that there are so many denominations that are willing to feed the poor that its covered. Either way they who do this do not know their true spiritual calling but follow there feelings/senses instead of the written word and thus the Africans get feed, so its all taken care of in the wash.......

And dont forgot i think he said the way into the kingdom is loving God with all your hart. I dont even have to accept Jesus as my lord and savior or repent my sins. Its even easier believeism then you teach.

It's astonishing that you can imagine such a thing. How bizarre. You must have a lot of really ugly crap in your head to make what you did out of what I said.

If we choose these lives in order to make better choices, then has it occurred to you, that as a Christian, those choices in my mind would relate to things Jesus Christ mentions? Like say, feeding the poor, visiting the imprisoned?





Also, don't say people like Pletho have made statements without links. I think gossip is uncalled for.

Isaiah 49:1

Listen to me, you islands; hear this, you distant nations: Before I was born the Lord called me; from my birth he has made mention of my name.

So, what you got?

Or - some other possibilities exist. I have, BTW, 9 versions of the Canon - and complete ones, too.

Wrong thread, son.

So when Jesus said "feed the hungry" He meant - "yanno, as long as you aren't too busy posting on 2+2 to send $5 to a relief organization?"

Before I was born does not mean he existed before he was born.

God called him before he was born because God had foreknowledge. He knew him in His foreknowledeg, preplanning, because God see the future and knows people ahead of time, even though He never controls them.

You really are twisting the word to say what you think, you have done this with others verses already also.

I guess if you didn't know God has foreknowledge then this would make sense, but now you know God has foreknowledge, meaning He knows people BEFORE they are born, not because they existed before they were born but because He knows the future.........and who will be born.

Are you going to send 5 dollars to all the poor people? I don't htink you have enough money to give them all 5.00 dollars, how are you going to choose and be fair about who gets the 5 dollars?

You think you get a brownie point from God for giving 5.00 away? 1,000 dollars away?

Whats more important?

Wasting your time going to Africa to feed people or speaking the word and giving someone eternal life?

Let the Catholics feed the starving people in Africa, they always do things their own way anyhow. Have you ever heard of rice Christians? They will be your Christian for rice........ Meaning they will be whatever you want them to be for food.

I do not think anything is wrong with helping people, or feeding them but that is not what the main calling of a true Christian is.........

No where in the bible do you see Jesus Christ going around SPECIFICALLY to feed people, he did feed people but only those who ate the meat of the word or at least were there when he taught the word.

I am?

It says what it says - where's your quote where God says we don't exist before we are born?

Have you ever even read the Gospels? Are you familiar with the "widow's mite?"

Answer the question, just what do you do that's so Christian you are so busy you can't feed hungry people? No bait and switch here, kid, you said it - it's above, you made the point - a real Christian is too busy being one to feed starving people in Africa.


I'm beginning to think you are a secretly a Satanist here to keep people from the Love of God in Jesus Christ.

or

get back on your meds

I was going to be nice but, no matter how many bibles you own, you have not got a clue about what you are talking about.

You misquote, wrongly divide and highly misunderstand the word of God.

You think you can talk to dead people, you think people existed BEFORE they were born and who knows what other crazy crap you believe? Either way none of it is in the bible NOT ONE IOTA OF IT. You could study forever and still not have the truth if you didn't rightly divide the word.

I have a clue that IF you learned to rightly divide the word then you actually might begin to understand things. But until you decide to quit believing what you want and solely stick to the word of God and I mean the word of God rightly divided you will have nothing but error and when you speak nothing but error will come out of your mind either to paper, web page or the ears of others.

I believe I was nothing before that hero sperm hit the egg. Even then I was just a mass of protoplasm for quite a long time. At some point I became aware of my Mother as a person, not just a warm teat. From that point on I became more and more separated from her, and became more and more concerned with myself. This development of the self became bigger and bigger and eventually climaxed in a realization that I did not exist.