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Do you consider yourself to be a vertebrate?

Vertebrates originated about 525 million years ago during the Cambrian explosion, which was an event of massive rise in organism diversity that occurred in the Cambrian period.

525 million years ago? How do u prove such a claim?

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02-17-2011 , 12:03 AM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haikoui..._ercaicunensis

Do you consider yourself to be a vertebrate?

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02-17-2011 , 12:04 AM

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Do you consider yourself to be a vertebrate?

i have a backbone

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02-17-2011 , 12:06 AM

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God is infinite who isnt limited by space or time

change God to omnipresent omniscience and this is true. 'God' is a personified fictional character created in your mind probably because you are a sheep who lets thoughts in the world hypnotise and manipulate your own.

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The net energy is 0 so that is not a very good question. A better question is where did the rules which govern the quantum fluctuation come from....or where did the space in which the quantum fluctuation happened come from?

randomness and inevitability and because of perfect true infinite analogue.

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02-17-2011 , 12:11 AM

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i have a backbone

You are a vertebrate.

Do you consider yourself to be a mammal?

Mammals have hair, three middle ear bones, and mammary glands functional in mothers with young. Most mammals also possess sweat glands and specialized teeth, and the largest group of mammals, the placentals, have a placenta which feeds the offspring during gestation.

Mammals originated about 200 million years ago.

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02-17-2011 , 12:13 AM

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We think of time as linear only because that is how we perceive it. All time exists right now, just as all space does

there is alot of truth in this but can you elaborate on how you define 'now' because i'm not sure if you mean one of two things...

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02-17-2011 , 12:13 AM

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We should not be talking about an infinite universe but rather reality. I can make an argument for why God requires a reality....

God always has to be in a reality because He is and always has been intelligent. Intelligence is the ability to know, understand, and navigate the world around you. The concept of a super intelligence existing in nothingness is nonsensical because intelligence can't exist without a reality to be intelligent about.

Think about it this way. What made understanding the game of chess possible was the invention of the game itself.

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02-17-2011 , 12:16 AM

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What proof do u have of the cambrian explosion happening 525 million years ago?

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02-17-2011 , 12:17 AM

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What proof do u have of the cambrian explosion happening 525 million years ago?

You are a mammal.

I have provided links for you.

What proof do you have that the Bible is the divinely inspired word of God?

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02-17-2011 , 12:21 AM

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You are a mammal.

I have provided links for you.

What proof do you have that the Bible is the divinely inspired word of God?

links dont prove anything, I can give you plenty of links also. You are taking just as much faith as I am when u say that happend 525 million years ago. Just because a scientist said it doesnt mean its true (i.e evolution).

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02-17-2011 , 12:22 AM

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Do you think that one scientist is claiming this?

Are scientists atheists?

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02-17-2011 , 12:27 AM

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But what if there is no such thing as time in God's reality?

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02-17-2011 , 12:31 AM

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You are also a Primate.

You are a Simian.

You are also a Hominid.

How much of that do you dispute?

Do you know how we got this?

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02-17-2011 , 12:34 AM

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Do you think that one scientist is claiming this?

Are scientists atheists?

No clue, I havent researched it. But there isnt proof that there was even an Earth 525 million years ago, only speculation. So how is there proof of the cambrian explosion? Some atheist say Jesus never lived because there isnt enough proof of it happening 2000 years ago, but then they'll go and say a certain event happend 525 million years ago.

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02-17-2011 , 12:38 AM

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But what if there is no such thing as time in God's reality?

Then He is short a dimension.

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02-17-2011 , 12:38 AM

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No clue, I havent researched it. But there isnt proof that there was even an Earth 525 million years ago, only speculation. So how is there proof of the cambrian explosion? Some atheist say Jesus never lived because there isnt enough proof of it happening 2000 years ago, but then they'll go and say a certain event happend 525 million years ago.

You are sitting in front of a computer, which is connected to the internet.

Have you ever heard of something called Plate Tectonics?

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02-17-2011 , 12:41 AM

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You are also a Primate.

You are a Simian.

You are also a Hominid.

How much of that do you dispute?

Do you know how we got this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNLvX...feature=relmfu

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02-17-2011 , 12:46 AM

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You are sitting in front of a computer, which is connected to the internet.

Have you ever heard of something called Plate Tectonics?

Actually if he wants he can go to iceland. Find and exposed part of the techtonic rift. Drive a stake on one side. Drive a stake on the other side and then measure the distance between the two stakes. Then he can wait a year and measure the distance again and see how far apart the two plates moved in a year. From that information it is a trivial calculation to determine how far back in time North America and Europe were connected.

He can do this all by himself and doesn't need to take the word of any scientist.

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02-17-2011 , 12:55 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNLvX...feature=relmfu

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02-17-2011 , 01:05 AM

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Isnt it much more logical to think that a creator created the universe, rather than it just came about from nothing?

Nothingness, defined as 'a state-of-affairs such that no thing is possible,' puts us in the position of denying the actual existence of things. For, if actuality entails possibility, then a state of affairs such that no thing is possible is not possible.

Thomistic metaphysics, which I favor, resolves this seeming paradox. Thomism allows one to hold on to the conceivability of 'a state of affairs such that no thing is possible' by denying the property of actual existence to things and instead posits a sort of universal existence in which things exist by virtue of. With Thomism, a thing does not actually exist; it is in existence (God).

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02-17-2011 , 01:11 AM

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This thread is hard to watch.

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02-17-2011 , 01:15 AM

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nice post

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02-17-2011 , 01:19 AM

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Atheist tend to flee away from my initial question because its irrational to think such a thing, so i guess this was expected...

No one flees. Its just your question has been asked in one way or another a ton of times. And it always comes down to, idk what going on. Which is apparently not acceptable.

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02-17-2011 , 01:44 AM

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There isn't any evidence to support this. Big bang theory states the universe expanded from a hotter and more dense state. The "infinitely dense point" is the product of somebody's imagination and not the consequence of some scientific theory. The laws of physics as we currently know them break down before we can model the actual beginning of the universe.

Just sayin

The laws of physics break down in a black hole too, and it's pretty much accepted that they exist

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02-17-2011 , 01:45 AM

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Its senseless to think that creation doesnt need a creator. The computer you own was manufactured as was your car and you kitchen table was made.

I don't know about you guys, but my computer, car and kitchen table all spontaneously self assembled from methane and water vapor when it got randomly hit by some uv energy and lightning.

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