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10-02-2019 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ICuRaRook


Just an awesome response.
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10-02-2019 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by foatie
Whoever does live graphics for the stream has access to the cards that are dealt first. It wouldn't be hard to relay that info to a player that you have an agreement with to split the winnings.

IJS.
Wow, I don't think anybody has thought about this angle yet. Maybe you should introduce this piece of late breaking analysis to the NVG thread.
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10-02-2019 , 08:27 PM
The Doug Polk video is case closed, dude is 100% a cheating scumbag. Belongs in jail.
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10-02-2019 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PLIKITYPLAK
Wow, I don't think anybody has thought about this angle yet. Maybe you should introduce this piece of late breaking analysis to the NVG thread.
Catching up on you dickheads in this thread the last couple of pages is enough.
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10-03-2019 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
Hard to find ethics in poker players

Phil Hellmuth shilled for Absolute Bet even after the superuser scandal came to light
Daniel Negreanu shilled for PS even after they robbed Super Nova Elite players of their promised rakeback
Andrew Neeme shilled for PS as well with the #VloggerInParadise challenge in exchange for a $25k buy-in
Jeff Boski shills for ACR even though their site appears to be bot infested and has questionable payouts
Trooper shills for Westgate even after their scandal of giving late entrants discounted tournament buy-ins to meet the overlay
Jayman shills for Stones in the same week their livestream cheating scandal came to light.

Brad Owen is the only popular vlogger I can see with his hands clean at this point.
QFT
I actually came in here to say God Bless our poker vloggers for having the community 's back.
Vibes quick to whiteKnight on twitter for poor Postle, Trooper and Jaman immediately hopping into a live-stream game that has been proven 99.999% certainty to of been compromised.

edit: actually probably not fair to throw Trooper in there since he probably didn't even know what was going on given his own self absorption coupled with it probably being a full-time job to delete the weirdo, obsessed trolls that stalk his social media
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10-03-2019 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Duffman08
QFT
I actually came in here to say God Bless our poker vloggers for having the community 's back.
Vibes quick to whiteKnight on twitter for poor Postle, Trooper and Jaman immediately hopping into a live-stream game that has been proven 99.999% certainty to of been compromised.

edit: actually probably not fair to throw Trooper in there since he probably didn't even know what was going on given his own self absorption coupled with it probably being a full-time job to delete the weirdo, obsessed trolls that stalk his social media
Vibes is one of those people who thinks being a contrarian makes him smarter than everyone else. It really just makes him a pompous douche.

As for trooper - ignorance is a really poor excuse
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10-03-2019 , 04:35 AM
Vibes is something else. Luckily dont have to be around anyone like him IRL
Trooper just goes with the wind. If the table were talking about how guilty postle was he would agree to that too
Jaman.... dam... lost all respect.... so disappointing. Let himself down huge
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10-03-2019 , 05:10 AM
The new ‘hat’ angle that’s been introduced to that nvg thread is pretty amazing too. The evidence just keeps piling up. Also the fact that his results, demeanour and style of play all change when the fella Justin from the production team was away in Vegas. Seems like Postle also played very few sessions when Justin wasn’t there.
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10-03-2019 , 08:51 AM
Are you guys sure you aren’t just jealous because you can’t beat the game for $700-800 per hour on low stakes and there is a guy good enough to do so?

I once raked in a $1800 pot in a $1/3 game at Wynn. I believe it.
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10-03-2019 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Soner
Are you guys sure you aren’t just jealous because you can’t beat the game for $700-800 per hour on low stakes and there is a guy good enough to do so?

I once raked in a $1800 pot in a $1/3 game at Wynn. I believe it.
only once? that's the complete opposite of what is/has occurred with him.
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10-03-2019 , 12:17 PM
I just watched Polk's video on the Postle scandal without knowing too much about it.

If RFID errors could only happen in the way Polk describes, how would he explain the hand that others have found where two Jd are shown in the graphics?
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10-03-2019 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
I just watched Polk's video on the Postle scandal without knowing too much about it.

If RFID errors could only happen in the way Polk describes, how would he explain the hand that others have found where two Jd are shown in the graphics?
Jd might have been programmed into the RFID system twice by mistake?
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10-03-2019 , 01:20 PM
I play what is supposedly a tough 2/5NL game and I've had 17 straight winning sessions earlier in the Summer. This seems to be most of the "overwhelming" proof people are presenting. Granted, I will often play very long to get unburied, but I'm also not playing in games as (presumably) juicy as stream games are designed to be. If these Stones stream games are like many stream games where "special" players get invited to punt, winning quite a few sessions in a row is hardly unusual. Stream games are not normal games like online, where edges are tiny and it would be very hard to have that sort of record. So I guess I am asking how juicy these Stone stream games are?

Also, one or two clips where he "looks into his" lap, his head seems to be completely over the table...

Over the years, I have watched plenty of pre=flop fish that are aggro postflop and rob the table when playing deep. My biggest loses come from playing these opponents.

Some of the hands are indeed strange, but what about him dusting off 2 buyins in a matter of minutes in spots that would be obvious folds if he had RFID help, where his hands were cruched? Maybe he was not getting RFID help that day...

Polk says that RFID errors do not happen. I occasionally watch Live at the Bike and I am pretty sure I've seen occasional RFID errors there. Maybe the errors are not RFID but instead where RFID is not registered and the person who enters manually, mis enters manually? Regardless, Postle does not need RFID at all to know that he has 89s and holding the nuts. That "example" makes exactly zero sense.

I could not care less about Stones, or Postle or what vloggers say, but while I see enough information to be concerned, describing it as some sort of irrefutable proof is not what was presented.
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10-03-2019 , 01:28 PM
Nice goal post shifting but no one called any of this irrefutable. It has been stated that the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming, in another thread, however.
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10-03-2019 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dc_publius
I could not care less about Stones, or Postle or what vloggers say, but while I see enough information to be concerned, describing it as some sort of irrefutable proof is not what was presented.

I haven't watched Doug's video yet but if you are looking for irrefutable proof then I suggest you just watch the session where he won $20k+. I believe Joey covered it in his 2nd review session. That session alone is all I needed to watch to know that he was definitely cheating (just based on the way he played hands).
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10-03-2019 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by OFA
Vibes is something else. Luckily dont have to be around anyone like him IRL
Trooper just goes with the wind. If the table were talking about how guilty postle was he would agree to that too
Jaman.... dam... lost all respect.... so disappointing. Let himself down huge


This sums up the dissenters in the Postle cheating scandal:

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10-03-2019 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dc_publius
I play what is supposedly a tough 2/5NL game and I've had 17 straight winning sessions earlier in the Summer. This seems to be most of the "overwhelming" proof people are presenting.
did you win $20k in any of those 2/5 sessions? did you win $150k+ over the course of those 17 sessions? no? didnt think so
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10-03-2019 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by OFA
Vibes is something else. Luckily dont have to be around anyone like him IRL
Trooper just goes with the wind. If the table were talking about how guilty postle was he would agree to that too
Jaman.... dam... lost all respect.... so disappointing. Let himself down huge
Jaman is the type of guy that is like "oh, I met this guy a couple times, maybe shared a drink with him, I am going to bat for him because that is the type of guy I am, loyal". Unfortunately it just makes you look like a blind douche.
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10-03-2019 , 02:12 PM
lol Jaman say it ain't so bro.


After all that transpired the last few days on this, my biggest takeaway is what a horrible booth full of idiots they have regularly commentating the stream. Like literal poker morans.
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10-03-2019 , 02:15 PM
Jaman should have done what all black people did the first three weeks of the Jussie Smollete stuff: STFU!!!! You shouldn’t fall on someone else’s sword Las Vegas Poker Player VlogsLas Vegas Poker Player Vlogs
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10-03-2019 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dc_publius
I play what is supposedly a tough 2/5NL game and I've had 17 straight winning sessions earlier in the Summer. This seems to be most of the "overwhelming" proof people are presenting. Granted, I will often play very long to get unburied, but I'm also not playing in games as (presumably) juicy as stream games are designed to be. If these Stones stream games are like many stream games where "special" players get invited to punt, winning quite a few sessions in a row is hardly unusual. Stream games are not normal games like online, where edges are tiny and it would be very hard to have that sort of record. So I guess I am asking how juicy these Stone stream games are?

Also, one or two clips where he "looks into his" lap, his head seems to be completely over the table...

Over the years, I have watched plenty of pre=flop fish that are aggro postflop and rob the table when playing deep. My biggest loses come from playing these opponents.

Some of the hands are indeed strange, but what about him dusting off 2 buyins in a matter of minutes in spots that would be obvious folds if he had RFID help, where his hands were cruched? Maybe he was not getting RFID help that day...

Polk says that RFID errors do not happen. I occasionally watch Live at the Bike and I am pretty sure I've seen occasional RFID errors there. Maybe the errors are not RFID but instead where RFID is not registered and the person who enters manually, mis enters manually? Regardless, Postle does not need RFID at all to know that he has 89s and holding the nuts. That "example" makes exactly zero sense.

I could not care less about Stones, or Postle or what vloggers say, but while I see enough information to be concerned, describing it as some sort of irrefutable proof is not what was presented.
You've clearly not read the whole thread. His winnings aren't because of how soft the competition is, it's because of some blatant cheating in spots where he's making plays that should be very high variance but he always gets them spot on. He did seem to struggle in a couple of sessions but remarkably those sessions were when one particular member of the production team was in Vegas. It turns out Postle only played a couple of times when he wasn't in attendance and on both occasions his demeanour, play and results were very different from the others. One of the obvious differences is that when he's in attendance Mike wears his baseball cap normally and it always looking down at his cards (in reality it's clear he's looking down at his crotch), whereas when the production team member isn't there he wears his baseball cap back to front as he doesn't need to hide where he's looking (as he isn't looking down at the phone during the hand). There's a ton of other evidence as well.

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10-03-2019 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dc_publius
I play what is supposedly a tough 2/5NL game and I've had 17 straight winning sessions earlier in the Summer. This seems to be most of the "overwhelming" proof people are presenting. Granted, I will often play very long to get unburied, but I'm also not playing in games as (presumably) juicy as stream games are designed to be. If these Stones stream games are like many stream games where "special" players get invited to punt, winning quite a few sessions in a row is hardly unusual. Stream games are not normal games like online, where edges are tiny and it would be very hard to have that sort of record. So I guess I am asking how juicy these Stone stream games are?

Also, one or two clips where he "looks into his" lap, his head seems to be completely over the table...

Over the years, I have watched plenty of pre=flop fish that are aggro postflop and rob the table when playing deep. My biggest loses come from playing these opponents.

Some of the hands are indeed strange, but what about him dusting off 2 buyins in a matter of minutes in spots that would be obvious folds if he had RFID help, where his hands were cruched? Maybe he was not getting RFID help that day...

Polk says that RFID errors do not happen. I occasionally watch Live at the Bike and I am pretty sure I've seen occasional RFID errors there. Maybe the errors are not RFID but instead where RFID is not registered and the person who enters manually, mis enters manually? Regardless, Postle does not need RFID at all to know that he has 89s and holding the nuts. That "example" makes exactly zero sense.

I could not care less about Stones, or Postle or what vloggers say, but while I see enough information to be concerned, describing it as some sort of irrefutable proof is not what was presented.
Cool story bro, but I don't think you are going to convince anyone who has seen the evidence and has an IQ higher then 80 that Postle wasn't cheating with that argument.
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10-03-2019 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Noles1724
only once? that's the complete opposite of what is/has occurred with him.


Sarcasm.
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10-03-2019 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cantor1987
Jd might have been programmed into the RFID system twice by mistake?
But if this were the case, that particular card would have shown up erroneously as Jd for the entire stream. It wouldn't just be incorrect once. At least that's how Polk described it.

I'm not saying this to suggest that Postale wasn't cheating. I actually think it's absurd he was permitted to repeatedly look at his phone in this middle of hands. Don't all poker rooms have a rule against using your phone while you are in a hand, regardless of whether they are streaming or not??
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