maybe the shortstacks will go away

is it really by that much? I read in other threads that it won't affect as much maybe a 5-10% drop, since we'll get partial vpps as well.

well the better ones at least and hopefully a ton of regs. softer players in general = better than $260 bonus every month imo

can somebody link me to where scotty has said they are switching to the 5x vpp system for full ring? all i saw was them saying they were going to do it, everyone protesting against it and them deciding they wouldn't. they said the system would remain as it is till january, but left what they were going to do after that vague.

afaik there has been no final word on it.

i would wager (hmm) that they won't have separate systems for separate games because it'll set a bad precedent

I thought they used to have separate systems for separate games before the changeover, though, so it's not like there's no precedent?

such as?

It may be changed on Jan 1st. Nothing has been decided, or at least announced, yet. If the original proposed changes take place then SNE will lose $20,000+ in value for FRers. It is also likely that Stars will lose a lot of business.

Also, it's "their" not "there" of course. In the Queen's English I'm pretty sure it should be "Are Pokerstars" but "Is Pokerstars" is probably correct in the bastardized US version ( ) of our language as I always hear US sports commentators refer to teams in the singular. E.g. "Liverpool is on a poor run..." whereas I would say "Liverpool are..."

(Sorry, just being an arse and rabbiting on 'cos I'm getting bored waiting on my food to be delivered.)

yeah it will drop 20k in value for you and other snes but where are you gonna go to get the same deal? They won't lose business over this.

iPoker flat 65-70%

and games about 3 times softer

ship it!!!


I say this the 100th time, if they really want to do this **** they should do milestones at 700k and 900k for 7k$ and 9k$ and I'm fine with it...

24 tables? i've never looked at those sites but I really doubt it'd be worth it. If it was, you and others wouldn't be at Stars.

10 tables ^^

1 (one) 10max table running atm, gl with that lol

Of course they will lose business over this if they make those changes. It's not just a case of losing $20k in value, but also- and of far more significance to many- is the obvious fact that it will take 20% longer to reach SNE!!- and that will put it out of reach for many otherwise would-be "SNE'ers."

those arguments make little sense because it's still worth it for those players to keep playing at stars because of milestones.

Let's assume someone making SNE this year gets, say, $120k of value.

If those changes are made as discussed, then that player would only reach 800k VPPs and lose out on approx $12k** in VPP cash, $28k in live tournament value, $5k in online tournament value + a few other bits and pieces for representing Stars in the tournaments (gift tokens, live freerolls, etc.) totalling over $45k!

I really doubt everyone will be fine making $20k less if they reach SNE, or $45k less if they put in the same amount of time/effort as this year, thereby only reaching 800k VPPs!!?



**It could be closer to $16k in VPP cash value that is lost, depending on what date a current SNE loses their status next year- making the deficit around $50k!

yes we're losing money, but when you compare that to any of the other sites stars is still clearly the best for high volume players.

I hope everyone is or has sent a letter to pokerstars letting them you are displeased with this. If you had any other kinda job taking 20% of your benifits is unheard of.

The argument of other limits and games not equal is also not a good argument if thats the case then bring them up to the level fr is at but taking away should never happen.

I am personaly am perplexed as to why stars would even consider this but they seem pretty hell bent on doing this. I think its a huge mistake on their part.

so youre fine with them taking some thing away that they have been giving us for years and the only real reason can possibly so that they can make more money.

Sorry I can't feel bad for them here especially when you consider the way theway they did a few of their promo's this year.

it sucks for us but even with the change they're still #1 for FR players. and im sure they know this. so im not gonna BS them and say that im moving somewhere else because that would just cost me $.

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OK, let's just reassure Stars that we're all going to stay and be happy, and encourage them to go ahead and make changes that will drastically hurt all of us then shall we? F*CK ME!!


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Anyone saying they're gonna move to iPoker or FTP or wherever just seems like a transparent bluff to me. We'd be better off begging for their sympathy rather than threaten them by moving to their competition. Stars is pretty close to a monopoly imo.

i'm fine with it jack. we've had an unfair advantage for a long time and they're simply evening things out and going out of their way to be slightly better than ftp. cry me a river with fpps. maybe you guys will leave and it'll be funner for me....but you won't.

I don't agree with any of those three points.

We may get a better deal than players playing 6max or HU, but everyone is free to choose what games they play- so they is no unfair advantage at all!

It is a "fair advantage" if you like, in that it's a better reward system than other games, but it's hardly an overly generous reward that none of us deserve! Any reward system is arbitrary to a degree, so again it's ridiculous to claim it's unfair!

Currently, Stars reward their high volume players well, but until they start sending a pretty girl round to suck me off every Saturday at 2pm instead of that stupid f*cking freeroll, then it's never going to be the super-duper-we're-not-worthy reward system that you're making it out to be!

If the mass tablers suffer will those who play 9 tables benefit ?

Or is it simply a net gain for Stars ?