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06-03-2010 , 01:18 PM

#20501

DiscoBisco

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Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 7,701

if u iso u have the ability to win a much bigger pot when u flop ur set, and you will win a lot more pots isoing and cbetting, then you ever will limping and seeing the flop 3 or 4 ways. i don't understand the point of setmining in a limped pot? how are you ever going to develop a massive pot unless ur getting oversetted?

06-03-2010 , 01:27 PM

#20502

H0NEY BADGER

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you think it gets really easy to develop a massive pot without getting oversetted by raising?

and fwiw i usually do raise there but it was really cuz i just dont limp (cuz im cool obv). after reading other responses i can see why limping has some merits. either way though with a low PP its hard to build a big pot you're way ahead in unless you are calling raise or up against a really big fish

06-03-2010 , 01:31 PM

#20503

brocksavage1

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Quote:

Originally Posted by **********

if u iso u have the ability to win a much bigger pot when u flop ur set, and you will win a lot more pots isoing and cbetting, then you ever will limping and seeing the flop 3 or 4 ways. i don't understand the point of setmining in a limped pot? how are you ever going to develop a massive pot unless ur getting oversetted?

Obviously these are sound reasons for raising and I think most people here (at least I do) understand this. I think the point of the posts has been that the hand is not an auto iso-raise, and therefore it's not an epic fail.

06-03-2010 , 01:33 PM

#20504

DiscoBisco

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Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 7,701

well i dont think its necessarily easy to build a massive pot by raising, but your going to win bigger pots than by limping.

06-03-2010 , 01:36 PM

#20505

brocksavage1

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disco - you're making valid points and I totally agree. It's the fact that your original post had the words "epic fail" in it, which makes people think that you think it's a raise all the time, every time.

06-03-2010 , 01:38 PM

#20506

DiscoBisco

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Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 7,701

yeah i should rephrase, its not an epic fail by any means. i just like saying the phrase epic fail.

06-03-2010 , 01:38 PM

#20507

vizer02

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Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,432

The point is you have no idea what utg's limping range is, which makes your comment pretty ******ed. Also, spp's play pretty well in multiway pots with high SPR's.

06-03-2010 , 01:38 PM

#20508

juan valdez

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,686

limping behind in co or button is cool and limping behind in mp is fruity

If you've got a gut feeling that you're going to flop a set, go with it, raise pre and build a pot

Cardrunners has a coaching video contest. Anyone entering? Duke you should do one with timing tells and mind trix, none of the coaches on their roster currently offer that.

06-03-2010 , 01:41 PM

#20509

DiscoBisco

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Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 7,701

Quote:

Originally Posted by brocksavage1

disco - you're making valid points and I totally agree. It's the fact that your original post had the words "epic fail" in it, which makes people think that you think it's a raise all the time, every time.

well i do believe personally its a raise all the time, every time. about the only time i may not raise is when the limper is a total nit thats just setmining himself. cuz then im def getting oversetted when a big pot develops.

06-03-2010 , 01:42 PM

#20510

H0NEY BADGER

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Quote:

Originally Posted by juan valdez

limping behind in co or button is cool and limping behind in mp is fruity

If you've got a gut feeling that you're going to flop a set, go with it, raise pre and build a pot

Cardrunners has a coaching video contest. Anyone entering? Duke you should do one with timing tells and mind trix, none of the coaches on their roster currently offer that.

thanks mike

06-03-2010 , 01:46 PM

#20511

Jah Onion

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Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 10,955

yo 00lethal, congrats on sitting out 15 thousand orbits along with 2 other nitregs on a ****ing POT limit table while I'm playing the fish HU. I mean I'm not complaining b/c he actually kept on playing, but a lot of times they'll just quit.

yeah, i didn't expect more from xxrazyboyx and some rando 10/7, but was surprised to see you sitting out, then sit in when it got 6 handed or w/e

06-03-2010 , 01:58 PM

#20512

Shaffer

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Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,556

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jah Onion

yo 00lethal, congrats on sitting out 15 thousand orbits along with 2 other nitregs on a ****ing POT limit table while I'm playing the fish HU. I mean I'm not complaining b/c he actually kept on playing, but a lot of times they'll just quit.

yeah, i didn't expect more from xxrazyboyx and some rando 10/7, but was surprised to see you sitting out, then sit in when it got 6 handed or w/e

People are such pussies. I can count the number of times I've sat out HU at a FR table on 1 hand, and it's always been because I was quitting my session anyway. Even in spots where I know I'm -EV, I've at least got enough confidence to believe I'm not massively -EV, and how are you ever going to improve your game if you never leave your comfort zone and never play against people better than you?

And it's well known that the 3rd player to sit down at the table is almost always some gigantic fish, at which you and the other reg have a golden opportunity at all that free EV.

06-03-2010 , 02:06 PM

#20513

H0NEY BADGER

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i try not to do that but sometimes when 16 tabling trying to play 3 handed with a reg and a fish can be pretty -EV. not because im -EV at that table but because it has small effects on all my other tables.

06-03-2010 , 02:13 PM

#20514

Shaffer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by H0NEY BADGER

i try not to do that but sometimes when 16 tabling trying to play 3 handed with a reg and a fish can be pretty -EV. not because im -EV at that table but because it has small effects on all my other tables.

Why would you sit out at a table where you have a big edge so that you can better focus on the tables where you have a much smaller edge?

06-03-2010 , 02:26 PM

#20515

Jah Onion

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Quote:

Originally Posted by H0NEY BADGER

i try not to do that but sometimes when 16 tabling trying to play 3 handed with a reg and a fish can be pretty -EV. not because im -EV at that table but because it has small effects on all my other tables.

lol?
play fewer tables then?

06-03-2010 , 02:36 PM

#20516

TheRenaissance

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Limping is obv fine in the right situation. But you are basically screaming to the rest of the table: "I HAVE SPECULATIVE HAND! HOPE I HIT LOL! ". If you can get away with that then limp away.

06-03-2010 , 02:37 PM

#20517

downgoesdown

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,264

Quote:

Originally Posted by 13_Xerxes

I combined the two options by miniraising :

1) Iso the fish
2) Take the initiative
3) ???
4) Profit

EZ GAME !

this watch out

06-03-2010 , 02:39 PM

#20518

zachvac

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 13,775

Why not just 10x iso lot easier to get stacks in when you hit a set that way? Or better yet just make it 50x. Then it's half pot shove when you hit a set and you can just fold if you miss or maybe minbet cbet to try to take it down.

06-03-2010 , 02:44 PM

#20519

TheRenaissance

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God I love hitting when barreling cynical regs with nice draws. Sorry buddy! Maybe you can be hero next time! Weeeeee!

06-03-2010 , 02:48 PM

#20520

SammyG-SD

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I love double barrelling, then rivering my set..

06-03-2010 , 03:07 PM

#20521

DamnRinger

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Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,334

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRenaissance

Limping is obv fine in the right situation. But you are basically screaming to the rest of the table: "I HAVE SPECULATIVE HAND! HOPE I HIT LOL! ". If you can get away with that then limp away.

limp AA to merge obviously.

06-03-2010 , 03:09 PM

#20522

zachvac

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRenaissance

Limping is obv fine in the right situation. But you are basically screaming to the rest of the table: "I HAVE SPECULATIVE HAND! HOPE I HIT LOL! ". If you can get away with that then limp away.

button opens you flat from BB. How's that different? Your range may be slightly stronger but you're still saying "I DON'T HAVE A MONSTER HOPE I CAN HIT OR MAKE YOU THINK I HIT AND GET YOU TO FOLD POSTFLOP".

06-03-2010 , 03:14 PM

#20523

LT22

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your limping range behind a fish is never balanced, hopefully your flatting oop range is at least a little balanced

06-03-2010 , 03:27 PM

#20524

GoAheadPutMeOnAK

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,768

Quote:

Originally Posted by juan valdez

limping behind in co or button is cool and limping behind in mp is fruity

If you've got a gut feeling that you're going to flop a set, go with it, raise pre and build a pot

Cardrunners has a coaching video contest. Anyone entering? Duke you should do one with timing tells and mind trix, none of the coaches on their roster currently offer that.

06-03-2010 , 03:31 PM

#20525

TheRenaissance

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zachvac

button opens you flat from BB. How's that different? Your range may be slightly stronger but you're still saying "I DON'T HAVE A MONSTER HOPE I CAN HIT OR MAKE YOU THINK I HIT AND GET YOU TO FOLD POSTFLOP".

lol i dont see why you say this. i didnt say LIMPING = BAD. i said LIMPING = ANNOUNCING STRENGTH OF YOUR HAND TO THE TABLE. then you say BUT THIS HAPPENS IN OTHER SITUATIONS AS WELL. yes i agree obv, what is your point?

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