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04-22-2011 , 04:54 PM
And hopefully hot bartenders.
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04-22-2011 , 05:09 PM
Tough day, was hoping I'd run into you guys and introduce myself but we got there around noon for a 12:02 tee time.

Hard to believe they had a mini tour event there as bad as the course looked. My dad is doing some consulting with the city on improvements so he wanted to show us some changes he's trying to get them to make. (removal of lots of bunkers that don't need to be there so they can spend more time on upkeep of other things).

I threw down an 88 so you got me by quite a few today :-p.
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04-22-2011 , 07:41 PM
6 beers is weak sauce, I'm like 4 pitchers deep and about to head back out

btw Scott is probably one of the coolest people you guys could hope to meet, dude has made a lot of success for himself on and off the course

one of those guys you'd actually want to hate on if he wasn't as good of a person as he is
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04-22-2011 , 11:09 PM
So...Ship...what did you net? like - $60
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04-23-2011 , 09:06 AM
I gave Spenda a hundy every day so I am pretty sure this week was a loser. When I take him to the US Open and win he shouldn't expect 30% of the gross check.....
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04-23-2011 , 10:14 AM
1 – 360 – Good 3 wood I thought but it really floated left and in rough. Decent wedge and 2 putt.
2 – 186 Punched 5 iron and pulled it left. Actually had a pretty easy but tough flop shot. Decel’d and left it 18 feet short. First putt caught bottom lip barely and went 3 feet past. Didn’t quite hit a solid putt and it dove left as a result. Nice DUB
3 – 325 – Get aggressive off tee to make up for last and stripe a 3 wood. 61 pin but have mud on ball and it squirts 30 feet right off green hit decent chip and miss 6 footer
4 – 430 – Still aggressive the bad hole and hit driver in FW have 152 and punch a really good 7 iron from there just short. Par.
5 – 257 – playing 195 Very nice 5 iron with the wind from right to left to 20 feet. Par.
6 – 445 – Good drive 126 stick. 52 degree to 6 feet and got line locked and left it hanging on lip short….sweet.
7 – 578 – Good drive lay up with 4 iron and hit 8 iron to 30 feet and make a really nice downwind downhill 2 putt.
8 – 550 – Good drive leaving 230 pin considered 5 iron but for some reason I am hitting it a half club short this week (swinging really bad at it this week) so I go with a 4 iron and hit it 20 yards over green and dead. Pitch on to 20 feet and 2 putt.
9 – 416 – Good drive trying to get there but leave it 40 yards short to a pin on elevated green and 6 paces on. Try to run up a PW but didn’t catch it clean off the hard pan lie and leave it short. Not a very good chip to 5 feet and misread putt.

Back 9 is pretty irrelevant. I really got into some bad swing habits in the 2nd and 4th rounds and not sure why. Just like 2nd stage of Q School I really played the extreme wind poorly. I felt like it was a guess whether or not I could hold the 3 wood on the first tee and 5 iron on the second hole on a decent line. Overall an encouraging week I guess. I know I can hit the ball and drive it much better so I'm really not concerned with that. So to have really done nothing well (even awful) for 2 of 4 days and finish 26th in a full field mini tour event is ok. These were only about my 15th or so rounds in the last 6 months. I expected my scoring and mental game to be rusty and it was. The 3rd round was a nice round to see that a properly executed “easy” game plan really can produce a nice score. I never got aggressive attacking pins and just let the scoring happen where it may. I know you can’t hit 17 greens a round but if I miss a few that day and make a couple bogeys it is still a nice round….considering it was low round of the day as it was.

65 by E Loar yesterday is incredible. I mean looking at his card you are like “yeah that’s how you do it”, but to actually pull it off and score on each hole is pretty damn good. I know Spenda said it already, but it was blowing 40 at some points….that’s just windy. I was over the shot on 18 with a 9 iron from 101 - backed off and looked and Spenda and said “I don’t think I can get this there” – Spenda – “I don’t either”

Left the course and went to my scramble and drank a ton of beer and slept terrible as a result. 36 holes in that wind yesterday was brutal. Easter Egg hunt at the club in an hour, wish me luck!

Couple of weeks to regroup and work on my game for the US Open and Nelson qualifiers.
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04-23-2011 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ship---this
I gave Spenda a hundy every day so I am pretty sure this week was a loser. When I take him to the US Open and win he shouldn't expect 30% of the gross check.....
There's only two spots available at DAC, are you saying you've claimed the other one?

I know this tournament wasn't a big deal to you, but a $1k+ check is a good start seeing as how you haven't competed since Q-school. And I just use the money as a way of comparing you to the other players in the field, and realize what was good and what was bad in your game this week.

BO
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04-23-2011 , 12:51 PM
Ya ship hooked me up with a few buy-ins, wasn't expecting anything and we hadn't discussed anything, so just another example of him being a good guy. However, he did send me a picture of Carmine's pizza from the charity event as I was stuck in traffic on my way home with just a few granola bars in my stomach, so he lost a few points there.
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04-23-2011 , 01:02 PM
Spenda, as ship was saying he struck it terribly day two and 4 and swinging like a bag of ass, could you tell his swing was off by his swing alone/ball flight.?? Did you have any idea of what it was (wtihout him saying)?

wondering how bad it would have had to have gotten for you to tell him WTF, man your crossign the line at the top or w/e the problem was...
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04-23-2011 , 01:16 PM
it's very hard to see in his swing in real time but you see it in his ball flight on the into and cross wind shots. Ship had a lot of trouble controlling the flight yesterday and most of his knock down shots were pulled (for a player of his caliber) badly.

when the ball has a penetrating flight or holds its line well like it did all Thursday (round 3) except for maybe a handful of shots he's swinging it well. When the ball starts upshooting/floating and gets affected more by the wind it's a result of a consistent flaw in his swing he says he has been trying to get rid of for a few years.

You see it in his wedge game as well, his swing issue with wedges/irons has very little to do with direction or even distance, it's all about being able to flight the ball the way he wants to.

I never would have mentioned it during the round, we started talking about it on hole 17 yesterday and he finally pried it out of me after his tee shot on 18.
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04-23-2011 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mrmarky
Spenda, as ship was saying he struck it terribly day two and 4 and swinging like a bag of ass, could you tell his swing was off by his swing alone/ball flight.?? Did you have any idea of what it was (wtihout him saying)?

wondering how bad it would have had to have gotten for you to tell him WTF, man your crossign the line at the top or w/e the problem was...
Spenda had never seen ship his a ball until round 2 and you're saying he should be making swing suggestions midway through round 4?

Sigh.

BO
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04-23-2011 , 06:35 PM
Lol. That'd be bad.

And trying to fix your swing mid-round is stupid anyways. That almost never gets you anywhere.
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04-23-2011 , 07:02 PM
in news unrelated to Ship's game, I have it on high authority Bo is actually pretty cool away from the internet
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04-23-2011 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ntnBO
Spenda had never seen ship his a ball until round 2 and you're saying he should be making swing suggestions midway through round 4?

Sigh.

BO
could you tell his swing was off by his swing alone/ball flight.?? Did you have any idea of what it was (wtihout him saying)?


i asked him COULD he tell his swing was off. And was trying to get an idea of how familiar he would need to be with a player of ships caliber to begin to offer advice...

don't be a dick man. Having played with a few caddies before i was just wondering what the comfort level would have to be. Spenda is a MUCH higher caliber player (than Boo weekley's caddie who i have played with multiple times ) and Teacher. I have also played with Dj nelson who caddies for Heath Slocum who is very good, but not familliar with him as much. I don't know spenda's teaching resume, but hey man, im asking a question, isnt that what this thread is about? Spenda offered an answer to what i was asking and you have to call me out?


/ being a nit to an idiot who likes to put others down.
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04-23-2011 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tzwien
Lol. That'd be bad.

And trying to fix your swing mid-round is stupid anyways. That almost never gets you anywhere.
+1

If your hitting the ball 40 yards right then aim further left. Swing changes mid round are not recommended.
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04-23-2011 , 08:26 PM
I was playing a round today, and the guy I was playing with was talking about Fred Couples. As most of you may now, ship--this has played a lot with Couples. So anyway, I caught myself just before I said "Oh ya, my buddy has played a lot of golf with him.." LOL, the internet.

God I need a life.
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04-24-2011 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mrmarky
could you tell his swing was off by his swing alone/ball flight.?? Did you have any idea of what it was (wtihout him saying)?


i asked him COULD he tell his swing was off. And was trying to get an idea of how familiar he would need to be with a player of ships caliber to begin to offer advice...

don't be a dick man. Having played with a few caddies before i was just wondering what the comfort level would have to be. Spenda is a MUCH higher caliber player (than Boo weekley's caddie who i have played with multiple times ) and Teacher. I have also played with Dj nelson who caddies for Heath Slocum who is very good, but not familliar with him as much. I don't know spenda's teaching resume, but hey man, im asking a question, isnt that what this thread is about? Spenda offered an answer to what i was asking and you have to call me out?


/ being a nit to an idiot who likes to put others down.
Spenda might be good, but we're talking totally different leagues between him and ship(no offense Spenda) That and being that they just met, it only seems like common sense to keep your mouth shut and carry the clubs, unless of course ship asks for advice. That's how I would see it if I was playing at least.
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04-24-2011 , 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BeerMoney
LOL, the internet.
+1

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God I need a life.
+1,000,000,000,000
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04-24-2011 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by mrmarky
i asked him COULD he tell his swing was off.
no, you clearly implied spenda should be giving him swing tips:
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Originally Posted by mrmarky
wondering how bad it would have had to have gotten for you to tell him WTF, man your crossign the line at the top or w/e the problem was...
and BO always posts like that in this forum in case you haven't noticed. (and your comment kind of deserved it.)


but i digress.
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04-24-2011 , 05:40 AM
why would i think that he should be giving him swing advice? I asked HOW bad would it have to be. this is prefaced by my use of the word COULD, and 'wondering how bad it would have have gotten...' but lets not derail thread
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04-24-2011 , 09:10 AM
ship,
i just bumped up your swing thread........
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04-24-2011 , 12:53 PM
Ship, great read just like the Qschool thread last year....always wishing you to do well.

One quick question though, how much do you think your high scores (in relation to the field and your own ability) and loose swings are based on lack of playing apposed to actually have some swing faults here and there that creep back into your game gradually?
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04-24-2011 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ntnBO
There's only two spots available at DAC, are you saying you've claimed the other one?

I know this tournament wasn't a big deal to you, but a $1k+ check is a good start seeing as how you haven't competed since Q-school. And I just use the money as a way of comparing you to the other players in the field, and realize what was good and what was bad in your game this week.

BO
I am doing local at Tierra Verde as a result of going to Santa Fe for a few days that coincide with Stonebridge site....not happy about that but trip was already on the books before I entered the Open.

I am fine with the result overall. I have thought about it and it was probably my 10th-14th rounds in 6 months. Yes I have hit balls a fair amount over the last few weeks but that doesn't really help you with scoring which is where a major leak was. Couple that with the fact I had 13 new clubs in the bag that I had only played 2 rounds with and I am not too concerned. I did make terrible swings at it day2 & 4 but considering all the outside influences - new clubs, tons of wind, sick kid, work, lack of sleep, etc - I am fine with it. I did not make adjustments on the fly which is something I should and can do. But the fatigue just didn't allow me to grind it out mentally on the days I didn't "have it". In hindsight I think I could have focused on maintaining my posture better throughout the swing. I was certainly getting stuck and just leaving the clubface wide open and blocking the sh*t out of it. The loss of posture is where I think a lot of trajectory control issue came from. I know the swing guys here will say no it's from XXXX but for me it all stems from posture. The club will hit better positions simply from being more solid over it.

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Originally Posted by Spenda
it's very hard to see in his swing in real time but you see it in his ball flight on the into and cross wind shots. Ship had a lot of trouble controlling the flight yesterday and most of his knock down shots were pulled (for a player of his caliber) badly.
It's funny because I didn't even realize that everything in the final round was pulled until reading this. This was the problem though for sure....all punches went way left.

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Originally Posted by ClubChamp04
Spenda might be good, but we're talking totally different leagues between him and ship(no offense Spenda) That and being that they just met, it only seems like common sense to keep your mouth shut and carry the clubs, unless of course ship asks for advice. That's how I would see it if I was playing at least.
I have a good ability to compartmentalize conversations about mechanics. I did ask him several times what he saw as I can tell from his posts he has a good eye. If he happened to say anything that sounded like stuff I work on I could use that. There is no way he would have just spoke up and said "man you are stuck" or anything like that. I don't think MRMARKY was saying why didn't you say something....more along the lines of if Spenda had watched me shank 6 in a row at what point would he have said something, not he Spenda you should have said something. However, based on the first 4 drivers Spenda saw me hit and he didn't say anything I feel comfortable saying he would never say anything without my asking for help!


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Originally Posted by urko101
Ship, great read just like the Qschool thread last year....always wishing you to do well.

One quick question though, how much do you think your high scores (in relation to the field and your own ability) and loose swings are based on lack of playing apposed to actually have some swing faults here and there that creep back into your game gradually?
The 3rd round I did a great job of "scoring". In hindsight I did hit it decent, but I also took advantage of my opportuities. You aren't going to hit it good everyday. Sure I hit it terrible on a couple of days but if I had just been stronger mentally and inside 100 on those days I would have saved quite a few shots and easily had a top 10 without playing very well. That is what I find encouraging. That is what I did through the 3+month process of Q School in 2008 so I know I have it in me once I get better with the mental scorecard. That will come with playing more rounds and focusing intensly on it like I did that year.

In the final round alone the mental card and short game cost me 5 shots minimum. The double bogey on 2 was a simple 1 shot waste from a combo of short game and mental leak. The bogey on 3 was a bad break with a mud ball, but the up and down was simple. I had a 6 footer on 6 for birdie that I wasn't focused on because I was trying to play a shot out of turn so my playing partner could put his shirt back on and clean up after playing a shot from a hazard. I didn't like my read and was still reading the putt while over the ball. I did have the right read, but didn't hit it hard enough on a slow uphill 6 footer because I was thinking about line instead of speed while over the putt - mental leak. I made a terrible club choice on 8 and honestly knew it was a bad club choice before I hit it. I did't take the time to commit to my club and if I had I would have selected a 5 iron instead. On 9 I had a really tough bump and run 2nd shot from 40 yards and had to fly it over a bunch of grass clipping that were washed out from the rain. I didn't take the time to really visualize where I was trying to land the ball and left it short and didn't get that up and down. That is a triple play there, 2 bad shortgame shots and a bad mental performance. It goes on a similar line on the back 9, but I think you get the picture.

Actually, let's take an EV look at that first nine holes - I would say a total of 3.75 shots wasted - 1 shot easily wasted on 2, .75 shots on 3, .5 on 6, .5 on 8 and a full shot on 9. Without going through the back 9 in detail I can tell you the number is about 1.5 shots wasted from mental and short game.....I am not even saying if the short game and mental was A Game, just not D Game. That is 5.25 shots which makes me shoot 72.75 and finish in the top ten hitting it awful but doing an average job of scoring in just the final round, let alone the first and second rounds that were quite leaky as well.

This is why I say I was encouraged. I don't understand why you get tournament rusty, but if Tiger Woods complains about needing tournament reps I can't see why I would be different. At the end of the day I have played a whooping 12 tournament rounds in the last 18 months...that's not many.

I know I am a great ballstriker and am not concerned with that. I do know my mental game has always been a leak and I really want to see that improve quickly

ALSO, THIS IS POAST #1,000 FOR ME. I really do find it fun to have a good forum with pretty smart guys to b.s. with on a consistent basis. I appreciate all the well wishes and really do think of you guys as friends. I hope to get this figured out and have a fun few years playing and meeting some of you around the country.

Thanks.
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04-24-2011 , 02:55 PM
Do you feel as though the tournament reps give you a "mental" workout, Or can you get the same out of a regular round in which you are simulating tournament conditions?

Do you have a specific practice routine prior to hitting each ball or does it change? Just wondering what type of things contribute to your lack of mental commitment on certain shots, as you seem to know exactly what shots this occurs on...sometimes even before you hit them.
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04-24-2011 , 03:03 PM
For me it was an interesting battle of whether or not to speak up. I certainly wasn't going to bring up anything swing related but I gave my thoughts when Ship seemed unsure about club selection, wind direction, and helped read a couple putts each round.

An example, we're on 18 and Ship has 101 left and 8 iron in hand, as he's over it the wind goes from like blowing 40 to 15-20 in a matter of seconds. I had to step in there, but other times it wasn't as black/white so I in those situations I decided to bite my tongue which for those of you who know me is much easier said (or rather not said) than done.

Driving to the course I envisioned a lot of scenarios for the final round, none of which included seeing a "professional golfer" hit a shot shirtless.
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