LIVtards populating the top of the Open leader board

Biden fist bumping MBS

what a world

Cam asked about LIV in the winner's presser. He was combative and dismissive to the reporter

i was once super drunk at a bar and talking to a saudi guy and he argued that we needed to be allies because our chants were interchangeable

KSA! KSA! KSA! KSA!

good times

If they lose someone like Cam the PGA has big issues. Already some of their stars are gone.

Now talk of banning them for next years majors

qft

Fred Ridley holds the trump card, but as time passes the value of that card is diminishing

Conspiracy theory: MBS told Biden to start anti-trust investigation into PGA on behalf of LIV.

Supposedly David Feherty is leaving NBC to work broadcasts of LIV Golf. He must have fallen off the wagon and needs the extra money.

Literally just saw this. Mixed emotions on this one as I've always enjoyed him, but if he goes there I guess I wont see him anymore. I understand the cash grab, just unwilling to support it...

https://nypost.com/2022/07/18/david-...-for-liv-golf/

yeah the NLU guys mentioned this. they also said (and had a guest who said):

- Stenson will give up his RC captaincy and announce LIV soon

- Cam Smith, Adam Scott, and Leishman moving to LIV after the Prez Cup

I doubt Biden is worried about PGA anti-trust stuff, even if his fist bumping, bone-sawing, buddy boy is.

I wonder if this means they may be close to a TV deal?

Another hateful and resentful post, congrats! professional golf is changing right before your eyes better to just accept it and move on rather than buy into and spread the division and hate the PGA tour and media are spreading. There's more to golf than your traditionalist American tour.

lol at simply sitting back and watching the great game of golf be torn asunder by two awful human beings. oh the horror of ppl standing up for what they believe in

There's a big difference between me and you, I actually am a professional golfer and have been for 30 years now. You speak from a position of watching from your living room. I speak from a position of inside the ropes on both the Korn Ferry and Champions Tour.

I'm all for various tours such as the DP World, Challenge, Asian, Japanese, Korean, Australian, Australasian, Sunshine, etc. I'm not for any tour who merely buys players in a vain attempt to legitimize themselves.

So no, as one who, unlike you, is already materially invested, I don't have to accept it. I can and will speak the truth from a position of knowledge and will defend my position against those who have zero clue what golf on the highest level is truly about. LOL at thinking PGA Tour events should use a shotgun start just like a charity scramble.

This feels like a post from the past, I'd better sign it.

BO

Playing on pga must be a bit of a **** grind.

I appreciate your post and your position in the game. But, playing devil's advocate, is not the PGA basically not unlike LIV as it has been the tour with the most money, hence "buying" players from the other tours around the world? Up until LIV, the goal was making the PGA and poaching the best players from all the regional tours. LIV has thrown a wrench into this at the moment. I personally don't see it working long term, but who knows. I love golf, but the only tournaments I watch are the Masters, The Open, and the US Open, plus a couple others where I like the course and have been to them (Charlotte, Hilton Head, Pebble Beach). Plus the Ryder Cup. The standard PGA or whatever tournament bores me and I have never liked the championship stuff based on points thing. I will not be watching LIV, either.

Fair question.

The goal for most players is to make the PGA Tour for several reasons. It has the best competition, it has the most money, it has the best courses, it has the most prestige.

But, the PGA has not, and cannot by rule, buy players. They cannot pay appearance fees for membership or events. However the DP World Tour does not have this rule. Events can and do offer appearance fees to the top players to ensure their participation. The DPWT events in the Middle East have for years paid the top players on both sides of the pond 7-figure appearance fees regardless of what they shoot in the event.

So using this information, one could argue that until now, the only events that could actually buy players are those on the DPWT.

The goal for most players is to make the PGA Tour for ONE reason. It has the best competition, it has the most money, it has the best courses, it has the most prestige.

The other stuff is nice, but if the money was peanuts or less than they could make at home, how many would come? Top players care about the majors/cups for legacy.

The PGA Tour got comfortable and did not evolve. LIV comes along, it's honestly the most publicity the tour has gotten in years. Both good and bad. Weren't some of the recent PGA changes essentially designed to pay golfers ambassador type fees annually?

Events with a guaranteed roster of players sounds great from a fan perspective. Teams, confusing, but has potential. Meritocracy is fine, but it's also a convenient way to seem altruistic. The world has changed and individuals market value has increased.

What if Bezos did this? Money is the only way that players were going to move. How much of an issue would there be?

And that is why players like Tiger that denounce the LIV tour are hypocrits. They took the dirty money when it was in their best interest.

The PGA knows the LIV tour hurts them as it has drawn some of its star players. Bryson was a great draw on the PGA tour love him or hate as was Dustin.

Bottom line LIV tour is bad for the fan and my guess dies in a few years and the PGA will take all the players back in a heartbeat.

If there was ever a better anti-advertisement for LIV, it would have to be Donald Trump's endorsement...

a large percentage of the projects the Donald touches turn into a dried up and crusty piece of *****. LIV will be no different

Thanks for your response BO, appreciate your insight.

Nice hot take. The great game of golf is a lot more than a handful of professional tour players deciding where they play. I've played golf a bunch of times since the start of LIV, had a great time along with everyone else.

There is, I appreciate that and what you bring to this forum. But that still doesn't make it ok for you to be hateful and post about former alcoholic's falling off the wagon or tour players wives being "skanks" because you don't like the decisions they made.

What truth have you spoken though other than resentment, the Barbasol Championship is golf at the highest level, that Sergio Garcia should play tennis? Fact is the average golf fan is old 60+ and Jr golf is declining. With no Jack or Tiger to draw attention golf will continue to decline if something doesn't change. It might not be LIV golf but atleast it's trying something. Old people like yourself often resist change, but it's inevitable and your hateful posts won't change that.

What do you think the PIP fund and additional "no cut" events are?