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06-05-2012 , 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by UCBananaboy
Was traveling yesterday and only saw bits and pieces of coverage. DVR somehow crapped out and didn't record final round

Was that really a 9i he hit from 190 on 17?
Yes it was. he did it again on 18 from a similar distance too. I think he should just get rid of the driver because it looks like he needs some more wedges to make up for that spread under his 9i. :P
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06-05-2012 , 08:06 AM
He has the 2i back in the bag for Olympic so I'd anticipate seeing a lot of stingers
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06-05-2012 , 10:20 AM
I think his driver is not that bad as it used to be, slowly getting there but putting is major problem not confident at all n leaving so many easy ones behind
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06-05-2012 , 10:37 AM
Pretty crazy tweet by Steve Elling:

Shotlink says: In his 24 PGA Tour wins since '04 (only non-majors), last week was Tiger's 2nd-worst putting week. Won with 13 other clubs.
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06-05-2012 , 10:39 AM
drive for dough, putt for lulz
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06-05-2012 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by UCBananaboy
Pretty crazy tweet by Steve Elling:

Shotlink says: In his 24 PGA Tour wins since '04 (only non-majors), last week was Tiger's 2nd-worst putting week. Won with 13 other clubs.
Hate to say this but even as inconsistent as Tiger's Putting can be and which Tiger will show up at the US Open he has to be the favorite.

Rory's game suspect
Phil withdraws and game so so
Dufner never been there before at a major

If I had to I bet the field. Though if I had only one golfer to pick I take Tiger.

Though Ricky, Furyk and Bubba my other picks
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06-05-2012 , 11:22 AM
What about the World #1 and #3?
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06-05-2012 , 11:23 AM
That shots gained paper already showed us that dominant Tiger picked up the majority of strokes from his competitors in the long game category(shots over 100 yards). If i remember correctly it went 2 shots long game, .4 short game(shots 100 yards and in), .7 putting making Tiger ~3 shots better per round vs the avg. PGA tour player.

Not too surprising he's able to win while putting less than great. Like i said a few posts up, the way he hit the ball all week is so much better than EVERYONE in the field.

I actually think his long game is as good as it ever was. His short game and putting are still slacking tho they seem to be getting better as the season goes along. If old Tiger just hit all the putts and the shots inside 100 yards at Memorial he probably would have won by 6+.

Those 2 categories are literally probably costing him almost a stroke per round at this point. This year he is +.44 strokes gained putting, historically he was.+.7. Short game is noticeably worse, he is near the bottom in proximity to the hole from 50-125 yards. He used to lead or be near the top of those categories, now he is probably giving up shots to the field.

So he's .25 shots worse putting, and he used to gain .4 shots in short game, now he probably gives up some there, maybe -.2ish. That's .85 shots per round and more than likely is the difference between old and new Tiger. Go back and take off 3 shots from every tourney he has played so far this year and there's your super Tiger. He would have 4 wins and no missed cuts.

I agree with Brandel and BO tho, he's nowhere near 2008 Tiger. Lolololololol.

This is almost exactly how his other 2 swing changes went. Take about 2 years, things finally start clicking in full swing, short game is lagging due to attention spent on swing changes. He can now spread out and practice all facets of his game(not majority full swing) and now his game will really accelerate as short game comes back.

Another cool stat i found recently is that if the average amateur had Tiger putt for them they would only shoot about 2.2 shots better on average. If you had Tiger hit all your long game shots you would average almost 10 shots better.

Last edited by NxtWrldChamp; 06-05-2012 at 11:33 AM.
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06-05-2012 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by kevin21
What about the World #1 and #3?
Maybe Luke winning but Lee Westwood rarely there on the final day.
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06-05-2012 , 11:34 AM
nice poast
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06-05-2012 , 12:04 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ections_sports

hope the link works, anyway, gist of article is 48% of tiger's victories have come from 6 courses

some ignorance shown in last line that tiger's never won at olympic... aren't janzen and simpson (scott) last 2 winners at olympic or did i miss one uso at olympic?

i'm thinking olympic sets up,badly for tiger altho he did win at harding (not sure significance other than they are very close geeographically)
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06-05-2012 , 12:08 PM
also, line about tiger not winning at unfamiliar courses is weird. excluding 3 majors, i'm assuming tiger plays the same courses year over year and that list of 6 courses (5 plus augusta) eats up a to. of his rounds

i think there is value though in observing he has problems at the players and quit LA open due to his results there
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06-05-2012 , 12:18 PM
tiger tiger woods yall. one of the best deliveries in this video

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06-05-2012 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rivercitybirdie
also, line about tiger not winning at unfamiliar courses is weird. excluding 3 majors, i'm assuming tiger plays the same courses year over year and that list of 6 courses (5 plus augusta) eats up a to. of his rounds

i think there is value though in observing he has problems at the players and quit LA open due to his results there
Earlier twit from Paul Azinger :

Unreal @TigerWoods stat. Of his 73 wins, 48% were on 6 courses, Bay Hill, Firestone, Torrey Pines, Muirfield, Cog Hill and Augusta.
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06-05-2012 , 12:53 PM
Stat is pretty meaningless without knowing what % of all his PGA Tour starts have come at those venues
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06-05-2012 , 01:03 PM
Well you can look at it another way and say he has mastered those courses while others who have played there a similar number of times have not.
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06-05-2012 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by kevin21
Well you can look at it another way and say he has mastered those courses while others who have played there a similar number of times have not.
but to some degree, his amazing dominance relates to his choosing his events

might surprise people that he's not nearly as dominant on courses he doesn't "choose"

would love to see analysis of flip side i.e. courses he hasn't done well (riviera, tpc - is it still sawgrass? etc)
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06-05-2012 , 01:27 PM
one thing that is amazi g is simply the notion of analyzing a golfer's win-loss record by course. for everyone else we'd have to analyze top 25 record or something
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06-05-2012 , 01:27 PM
Everybody else is also free to pick their favorite courses.
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06-05-2012 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp
Stat is pretty meaningless without knowing what % of all his PGA Tour starts have come at those venues
Tiger has also won multiple times on several other courses: Pebble Beach, Doral (3 times), Disney (2 out of 4), La Costa (3 times), and Warwick Hills (3 times). Also dominance at Poipu but that is obviously exhibition stuff.
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06-05-2012 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rivercitybirdie
but to some degree, his amazing dominance relates to his choosing his events

might surprise people that he's not nearly as dominant on courses he doesn't "choose"
Even according to that stat, he's won 38 tourneys at those "other" courses. I think most people would agree that 38 wins is a decent career.

List of players with more than 38 wins.

Snead 82
Nicklaus 73
Hogan 64
Palmer 62
Nelson 52
Casper 51
Hagen 45
Mickelson 40
Mifflecoff 40
Sarazen 39
Watson 39
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06-05-2012 , 03:20 PM
Why wouldn't you play courses that fit your eye and increase your odds to win?

Justin Verlander would love to pitch to the Pirates every start at Padres ballpark if he had that luxury.
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06-05-2012 , 08:36 PM
lol you guys are such on the defensive, it's just an interresting fact, and Azinger is certainly not a Tiger hater.
And it's really funny to see NtxWC saying a stat is pretty meaningless, whatever the context is. Once again just chill, not a personal attack, it just made me crack a smile
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06-05-2012 , 09:29 PM
Some stats are kind of meaningless without context.

Anyway for some context, If i counted correctly he's got 85 starts at those 6 courses. That accounts for 32% of his PGA Tour starts with a winning % of 41% at those venues. That is quite staggering considering 1 of those venues is a major and the rest almost always have the strongest fields for regular Tour events.

Every other venue his win % is 21% (38 wins in 181 starts), career winning % now up to 28% on the PGA Tour after Memorial.

Obviously Super Tiger only comes out at big events
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06-05-2012 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by UCBananaboy
Why wouldn't you play courses that fit your eye and increase your odds to win?

Justin Verlander would love to pitch to the Pirates every start at Padres ballpark if he had that luxury.
Good post. +1. Comical that it's an issue that the guy selects scenarios that hold the greatest potential positive for him - just like every normal human being in society tries to every day.
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