literally this lol. I follow english football loads and post in that thread. Multiple guys in that forum have banned accounts and one guy who used to work for a major bookmaker saying they will ban close to anyone whos making semi-decent money and are doing "smart betting". And they dont even need to give a reason for it.

i just LOL at anyone who thinks they will be able to make money from sports betting


said previously was last post in travel forum, but given this tab was open. this one is.

should not before people get arsy. i said english football...and im pretty sure the only way to be profitable in football, is to bet on some major weird league where bookies dont have as much info. aka scottish 3rd league. Or have loads of "mini accounts" making your bets for you.

if you want to make money by sports betting...go into DFS....but it will require as much attention as poker which obviously k2d cant do

Given the elite trolls in this forum, including your own statement, I'm proud to accept the title. Thanks.

everyone i know who i actually believe makes money at sports betting does so from a purely numbers perspective and doesn't use the eye test at all

hell wabby claimed he was a professional sports bettor (i believe him) and said he had heard of peyton manning but didnt know what team he played for

Literally lol at first paragraph, why don't they open their own sports betting website if they can comfortable beat bookers and make money from it.

i dont know

i lived in vegas for 6 years

i think i met 4 people that actually do make money off sportsbetting

if you dont want to believe that then ok

Some guys told you they make money from sports betting lol. Let's believe them right k2d...pretty much that logic sums everything about you

in living in vegas for six years how many 'sports bettors' do you think i came in contact with?

and i believe 4 of them

and again if you (who has never met them, or me) wants to blindly 'lol youre an idiot' then ok, good for you, that seems to be your standard line so i wouldnt expect any different this time

Pretty sure mid-high stakes poker player Haralabos Voulgaris is a long term winning NBA sports bettor. And Alan Boston is a long term winning College Basketball sports bettor.

Actually I'm near as 100% certain as I can be.

Burns sportsbetting isn't like pit games, if you're good enough at it and review enough information it has to be long term +ev if you do it right.

It seems like you agree that is possible, you just think eventually winning players will start having their action denied by bookies. That may be true of your back room of the bar, connected to the mob bookie, I don't think major sportsbooks online and in Casinos are in the habit of denying action though. Thus if you bet in those, and you are good enough you can come out ahead and the long run.

Obviously you have to be very good at it, be researching constantly and have it as your primary job in order to be successful, but seems absurd to suggest that there are literally 0% people who beat sports betting long term.

vegas casinos will definitely limit the size of the bet a winning player can make, thats why there are runners all over vegas that make bets for people who the house won't let book big action anymore


burns is probably drunk, he is being an ******* again and usually blames that on being drunk

personally im not to big a fan of people who are nice at times and *******s at times no matter what their excuse

when a guy wins the vegas hilton NFL contest back to back years then yes i will believe that he is a winning sports bettor considering that brings in many of the top sports bettors in the world, you dont luckbox your way through something like that two years in a row

and that is when forced to pick every game, not just being able to sit back and cherry pick the lines you like the most

K2D is right for American sportbetting. There are enough fish that Vegas takes strong and obvious positions especially on NFL, CFB and NBA games. Betting just these games alone will make you a winner at sports but only return about 12%-15% on your investment over the course of a year (my very rough calculations).

if this is the guy im thinking of who did a joey podcast...he even stated in it that he needs to gets people to do the betting for him...and its a "company"

LOOL you being certian you can be 100% nba sports betting winner and still choosing to play poker. go bet your life worth on nba... lol.. close to the most stupid comment i read on here...no offence

as said before, if you can claim those %...you can SNAP open sports betting website and PRINT money...but im going to guess that you wont...

k2d, not even drunk/sober atm, just you guys being dumb....but gl in your sports betting adventure...look forward how this thread develops with that lol

You didn't read what I wrote correctly.

I didn't say I'm 100% certain I am a winning sports bettor, I said I'm near 100% certain the two guys I mentioned are winning sports bettors.

Ok, so maybe winning sports bettors do it on a larger scale as something like a company, that still makes them winning sports bettors. I never said any random joe can do it for a living all by himself.

Also you're a brit, far as I know you've never been to the U.S. or Vegas.

You are arguing with three guys that are U.S. citizens (not sure Bishop is but from his post I'll guess he is,) and that all have extensive experience in Vegas.

The topic we are arguing about is betting on U.S. sports, in Las Vegas.

There are three of us with essentially home turf experience and knowledge about this and one of you from another country, a different set of sports and a different ecosystem.

And yet you're just sure you're right, and we are wrong.

Where is the logic there?

ok, i admit that 1 sentence did come across as if you could do it (if you brief read it) apologies



and back to the point. gl k2d running company whilst doing ****load math/research and then employing people to do his betting for him whilst living in phils.

logic is that...if person X can win money from bookies and is confident.....why dont they open bookies site themslves,,, slightly short the price. AND PRINT **** money. it barely ever happens....obviously lolcasuals will be happy to go with cheapest price possible...

you dont think major sportsbookies deny action? wait wuuuuut. The biggest sports betting website in Euro football SNAP denies action. But im going to guess US different right??

also casinos are clearly the ones who would deny more than anyone...wtf going on here

I also did say in my first post on this topic, that I don't think K2d is a long term winning sports bettor, and he probably wasn't back in 2009 either.

It clearly requires lots of time and research and I do expect that almost everyone that does it for a living is doing it in some sort of office setting, with lots of phones, computers, tvs, and people working in it. So yes a company.

I thought you meant you didn't think anyone could do it period under any circumstances. I don't agree with that.

If what you meant was you don't think any average dude doing it more or less on the fly by himself on the side of poker or some 9-5 job can do it, then I would agree with that.

As you pointed out that one guy I mentioned did it as a company model with others working with and for him. I'm think the other guy I mentioned dose it more or less that way as well.

i dont think anyone can beat bookies independently in long term (unless you bet crazzy silly leagues like mentioned before) ....

which is where all the original points started from

Also these days why would you even bother trying to successfully beat the books independently, as, if you are on your own and your knowledge of sports is that good and up to date just play DFS instead.

They definitely are. A friend who is a professional sportsbetter spends a fair bit of time sourcing losing bet365.com accounts that he can use to play on. He usually averages around 24-30 hours of betting on an account before they start banning him again.

People absolutely beat sports betting. Its funny listening to people so sure it cant be beat when this is a poker forum. When you tell 99% of non poker players you play poker for a living they think in their head it cant be done its bs and you lose all the time and are full of sheit. Then you get poker players giving the same reaction to sports betting. NBA player props are esp easy to beat once you learn how.

It is true DFS is a much better avenue to make money at then sports betting though. I've done pretty well in DFS as a side income but you cant play when traveling anymore like last year at this time. Just like sports betting and poker most people are gonna be losers in DFS and the general perception when you tell someone you can beat it is that you're a liar and a degen gambler who thinks they can beat something thats unbeatable

I dont think K2D was even saying hes a winning sports better though. More he was just talking about when he had a nice run and made a bet with a huge % of his roll in what looked like a +EV spot and lossed.

Kevin Durant and the thunder had a 27 game win streak a couple years ago, i bet on game 28, the game russell westbrook decided to not pass the ball and go cold

it's like the stock market, definitely beatable if you take the time to do research.. not easy though, and most games are best avoided. Some of the easier games to pick if you have the knowledge, are the smaller school college football games, but who the f*ck follows a game like Harvard vs William&Marry

NFL games, teams go through so many peaks and valleys- injuries, poor strategy, adapting new schemes, turnovers, .. LUCK.. one team can look like ****, and then the next week look like world beaters. .. or special teams can go crazy and change momentum. tough to account for all those variables. If you're a big fan of one team and not blinded by (insert team colors) tinted glasses, you can gauge their strength well enough to make some money

I also bet against an injured buffalo bills team and those 2nd string NFL players showed they are insanely elite athletes that are capable of performing at the highest level, the bills won that game of course lol ugh!

i think its really funny that burns doesnt realize he is the one being a dumbass right now while he calls the rest of us dumbasses

back in 2009 when the thunder were terrible they were hosting the mavericks, the line opened at -4.5

durant and jeff green were announced to be out an hour before the game, the line didnt move....... that is 2 of there 3 only good players, the only remaining good player was westrbook who was a rookie and not a star by any means


huge value on the mavs with no line adjustment..... thunder win the game and were in control the whole time

games like that are why i gave it up


2011 NFL i was always betting saints overs for like 3 years in a row, any time the saints played a good offensive team take the over

they played the lions, not only were the lions a good offensive team but they threw all the time so the clock would stop.... i woulda bet the over if it was 59..... it was 54

i had waited weeks for this game, make a big bet, what a surprise it goes under

6 weeks later they play in the playoffs, same teams, same place, no major injuries in the first game or second game, this time the line is what i thought it would be in the first game (59) and i didnt bet it because the first saints lions game is the last game i ever bet...... they were into the 60's in the third quarter


lebrons second year in miami i had a buddy make a 10k three team moneyline parlay on the three best teams in the league to win their first round series in the playoffs, he had the bulls, the heat, and whoever was the 1 seed in the west

it was like 10k to win 4k or something but it was basically a lock....... until derrick rose had his first major injury and the bulls lost

i had a team in a basketball game at +7.5 up 4 with under a minute left and the ball......... had to be 99%+ to win the bet...... they lose by 9 in OT

Sports betting has to be the worst, meaning that you are powerless to change any outcome. At least in poker you can fold.