Spare me ITT666, nobody is demanding to tip. It is very customary to tip in Asia, it is just accepted in different forms some places...it's called a 10% service charge. It's a known fact, many countries love when a westerner visits, because they tip. We boost their economy.....get my drift.....bruh. by the same token, and in your context, the only horse I sit on..is my mustang.

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It was let go over an hour ago, hence the shift in topic to the upcoming tournament.

Edit: Perhaps my wording in my initial post was slightly off, to which I apologise, I never demanded anyone tip, It was more of a suggestion as I feel it's appropriate given the free food, and the level of service to which they give all their players.

How did none of the Cheap Charlies on this forum complain about the high rakes? $20 on a 5/10 NL game for over $1200 pot? I remember when the Rake in Vegas went up for $3 max to $5, players bitched for months, now some have even $5 + $2 for the Bad Beat.

Right, when a WESTERNER comes to Asia they tip. That's exactly what I'm getting at Westerners are coming over and bringing their own cultural value (tipping,) to Cambodia without considering that that may not be a value/norm in Cambodia. Just because it has a positive value on the wallets of many Cambodian's working in the hospitality sector doesn't mean it isn't an example of imposing western values/norms/expectations onto another culture that previously didn't have them.

I'm not saying that's necessarily bad or wrong to do, but it isn't necessarily right or good to do either.

It's more of a grey area type issue/question then you seem to realize.

It's not as open and shut or black and white as you seem to feel it is. That's all I'm saying.

It is my hope when I tip, wherever I go, they understand its because I appreciate their hard work. And if it's not their norm in their culture, they understand that I'm sharing something my culture has to offer. I agree to disagree with you. If that will stop the back and forth. We have different opinions, and that's OK with me....have an awesome week..

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Right,and I agree completely that it's your individual right to decide to tip or not. If you want to, good on you. I'm just saying to get on others about not tipping requires a sufficient moral foundation that I don't think you have in this particular situation.

Personally when I travel to new countries and experience new cultures I try to be as open minded and fluid as possible.

When in Rome do as the Roman's do.

Thus if I were to sit at a poker table in a new country/culture I would have a very simple rule, if I see the locals/regs tipping then I will also tip, if they aren't tipping then I also wouldn't tip.

Seems simple and easy enough to me.

To be fair I should mention I mean mostly dealers and floor men and the like in this situation. It's fair to regard wait staff separately as they are doing you a direct and personal service. I might tip them even if it didn't seem the norm. Since I pretty much never get anything from the wait staff while at the poker table, it's not something I have to give much thought to.

I am finding it funny how people try to justify why they do not tip. It has nothing to do with the culture. If you want to tip tip, do not tip or don't tip someone because you do not want to offend them with a tip, or offended the guy at the table that doesn't want to and now feels cheap because you did and he did not. It is my money and I am free to do with it as I please. I tip a dollar or two with every pot I win that is more then the blinds.

I'm not trying to justify not tipping, that isn't the point of my posts at all. If you think it is then you have misunderstood me.

I'm trying to raise awareness to realizing that some things you do that you believe you do for moral reasons you actually do because it was instilled in you by the culture you came from originally.

It's completely a cultural thing. Tipping isn't traditional to Cambodia, you come from a country where it is a standard procedure and expectation. That makes it a cultural thing. You do it because it was instilled in you by your culture. If you chose to pretend you do it because you are a morally superior 'good,' person you can, but that's not the actual reason.

Bro, your a tool. Tipping wasn't instilled in me. Appreciating great service was instilled into me. Recognizing great customer service. Respecting another human being.....that's not cultural. That's universal. So I have every ounce of moral foundation to comment. I attempted to be nice to you, but obviously you just like to hammer one point.

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Actually Cambodia is the only place in SEA where they make me feel like I have to tip.

Thanks Stewie. That made my day.

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We're one big fuc*ked up, degenerate family. We'd love to have you.

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It's about two weeks away on the 23rd. We're already half way filled up on those confirmed coming. We had 44 runners last time with 4 alternates and the prize pool reached $10K. If anyone wants a seat PM and we'd love to have you join us.

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Lol

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But those values were instilled in you by your father and other people who grew up in the same society and culture that you did. That makes them cultural values. Do you think Asian kids growing up in Asian countries were taught to tip by their parents? Do you think perhaps there could be other ways of showing appreciation for quality service than tipping extra money?

Yes, showing appreciation to services done for you by others is indeed a universal value/norm, but showing it in the form of tipping extra money is not universal, that is cultural.

I'm not a tool, I'm not telling you that you shouldn't tip service people in Asia, I'm just trying to get you and the other two to realize that some of the things you take to be universal, objective moral truths are actually just cultural norms specific to the culture you came from and others like it. You've come to believe they are universal, objective moral truths because you've been inundated with them constantly by your original society and culture to the point of believing that they are both universal and objective, when in reality they are cultural and subjective.

Showing appreciation to service workers on a job well done = universal belief.

The proper way to show that appreciation being via monetary tip = cultural belief.

I'm a good, kind hearted and generous person because I always monetarily tip service workers, and you're a cheap skate ass hole wiith no heart because you don't do that = Also a cultural belief and not a universal or objective moral truth no matter how much you three guys want to feel like it is...Sorry.

I haven't been out since last Wednesday so I was glad that some old friends returned to the room today because that of course meant we were going out. These guys really know how to have fun. We did the usual tour starting at 136 and ending up at 104. FML because I always end up at Rose Bar. I've talked some playful sh*t about that bar before but they usually don't disappoint. I'm not always looking to take a girl home and sometimes just want some in-bar entertainment. On that end they usually deliver. The girl pictured below, I've known her for so long she's kind of like a sister. But a sister I'd still like to fu*k nonetheless.



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It's a bit past 5:00 AM here and I just got home, still a little drunk. A Knight's Tale is on the TV. I'm not sure why I love this movie so much, especially this scene. Fu*k me I have to be in the room in less than six hours.

That girl turn me off so much, where's the good old quality post triad. Post more picture of girl similar to that 4chain bar gf you had there

No it isn't.

America is the only country in the world where it's customary to tip. Non-Americans get pretty tired of Americans telling them they have to tip everyone.

What if I told you that you could respect someone and recognise that they have provided a good service without having to give them money to demonstrate that you do.

Better to continue to philosophize if it's ok or not to give a tip in a third world country here and keep this thread for the live poker and weekly hookers update from Triad

I do think its worth noting that these people work for the absolute scum of the earth, Yes they probably are not too aware of the company they work for, but I guess I would place the blame for that on them for not being more aware.

In the Poker world we are rather spoiled, in that its 'OK' to be a winner, youre still a pawn in the game, granted we have recently seen actions from stars that would be similar to that of a winning casino/sports bettor, but the amount of hurt these guys put on the economy as a whole should be noted, and if anyone even dares to show initiative and figures out a way to beat the games they provide(speaking sportsbooks +casinos here), they are quickly banned from taking part.

Id like to note that I do think this thread is great, and triads stories are also good, but all this talk of 'the poor casino workers', I feel it should be mentioned.

+1

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Save a few girls I'm sort of done with the 18-19 year old girls. They're nice to look at but once you get them back home they have no clue what they're doing. I'll take an older girl who lies about being 26 and wakes me up in the morning by masturbating to loud. But then again, ask me again in a few weeks.

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