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05-23-2012 , 10:29 AM

#26

IamPro

one time Plz???

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Mizrachi runs so good

05-23-2012 , 10:39 AM

#27

realebird

newbie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick Jane

What's Little's flatting range here honestly. I would think he 3-bets mediocre hands quite often and only flats monsters. Super exploitable but if grinder is isoing so wide it's probably the best play. Which would make the iso shove by grinder bad.

I don't agree that he would only be flatting monsters here. The only reason to flat a monster here is if he is very confident of Antonio shoving. I think he can often flat mediocre hands here as he will he in a tricky spot post flop if he 3-bets and end up playing OOP on the flop with a bloated pot against an agressive player. I also disagree with the post that says that the intention was to get a 3 way all in. On the bubble a 3 way all in can't be profitable even with a strong holding like AK.

05-23-2012 , 10:43 AM

#28

IamPro

one time Plz???

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He prob overestimated his fold-equity

05-23-2012 , 11:02 AM

#29

The Spewtard

centurion

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Quote:

Originally Posted by realebird

I don't agree that he would only be flatting monsters here. The only reason to flat a monster here is if he is very confident of Antonio shoving. I think he can often flat mediocre hands here as he will he in a tricky spot post flop if he 3-bets and end up playing OOP on the flop with a bloated pot against an agressive player. I also disagree with the post that says that the intention was to get a 3 way all in. On the bubble a 3 way all in can't be profitable even with a strong holding like AK.

lol

05-23-2012 , 11:12 AM

#30

unlucky4me

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They all spazzed out cause they knew Barbra Enright wouldn't let them pay the bubble

05-23-2012 , 11:21 AM

#31

WasWilly

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stewball

Why doesn't Little just fold here?

Because, as he said above, he had them exactly where he wanted them. All in where he is over a 60% favorite.

05-23-2012 , 11:25 AM

#32

FieryJustice

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I think flatting in the sb here with marginal hands would be pretty bad as Antonio was pushing with what seemed like a good pushing range. That being said, I don't love a 3bet with many hands here either because Mizrachi basically always calls 3bets with most of his opening range then he tries to win every pot postflop that is bad for my range.

Also, once they both push, folding AK would be awful. The goal of a poker tournament isn't to mincash.

05-23-2012 , 11:45 AM

#33

philmcneal

grinder

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^ well said

05-23-2012 , 11:50 AM

#34

raidalot

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I don't understand why the title says "hard to believe" or why each of the players' actions have been criticised. As far as I can see, all 3 players played their hands correctly (given circumstances, images etc). Its an interesting situation but nothing amazing, unusual or "hard to believe".

05-23-2012 , 12:03 PM

#35

Ce1ska

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FieryJustice

The goal of a poker tournament isn't to mincash.

05-23-2012 , 12:06 PM

#36

Mark275

banned

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David123

did antonio say "I love AMERICA!" ?

FYP

05-23-2012 , 12:14 PM

#37

Zamboni

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 165

Quote:

Originally Posted by A MTT PRO

Jonathan Little must be pissed!

Just a little!

05-23-2012 , 12:25 PM

#38

leconnaisseur

adept

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STANDARD IMO

05-23-2012 , 12:35 PM

#39

The Apex

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05-23-2012 , 12:35 PM

#40

Tre-fi

journeyman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by play4purple

Please tell us more about things you would not do in tournaments you will never play.

So much win.

05-23-2012 , 12:37 PM

#41

BluffingX

grinder

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FieryJustice

Do you disagree that flatting ak is better than not folding a hand like aq or 99, or would you prefer not to 3bet those given that a squeeze play will likely cause grinder to spazz with marginal hands and he might not even fold those to a 3bet anyway. As you said that puts you in tough spot postflop when grinder tries to win every pot and it's likely antonio will just fold preflop most of the time anyway, leaving you either out of position or facing a 4bet shove vs hands which dominate your calling to induce spazz range?

05-23-2012 , 12:40 PM

#42

R*R

I wish I was Einstein

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FieryJustice

My bustout hand was a thing of beauty. Mizrachi raised to 2.25bbs from middle position, which he had been doing a lot. I look to the left and see Antonio perk up a bit when he looked at his hand in the big blind. He only had 15bbs. I had 40bbs. I wake up with AK in the small blind. I decided to call to induce an Antonio spaz plus a Mizrachi spaz. Antonio snap goes all in, as does Mizrachi. I think for like 3 seconds then realize folding would be dumb because this is 100% what I wanted. Antonio had KJ and Mizrachi had QJ. Too bad the Q came.

You got what you wanted and you called. Playing to win. I commend you for this. I think I would have a tougher time making this call in a 3 way pot on the bubble but given your reads and your will to win it probably makes sense.

I don't mind MM's play either. I am guessing he was expecting you to fold there and had no real clue you had a monster. This seems to be what you thought he would think as well.

05-23-2012 , 12:42 PM

#43

Tryst_

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Jonathan Little ITT

05-23-2012 , 12:42 PM

#44

joeschmoe

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Yeah, it is standard...and that's what I find hard to believe, and why the title fits.
The reason people play like this is because everyone else plays like this... it's standard because people make it the standard.

If one of your opponents has a pair, you are a dog. 4 long days of hard work up in smoke.. on what is essentially a draw. Two Broadway cards. Whoopeee.
As deep as they are, why none of them can find any reason to fold and wait for a better spot is a mystery to me.

05-23-2012 , 12:43 PM

#45

GrimeRat420

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One doesnt have to be an mtt reg playing 25ks to make fun of mizrachi for that awful qj iso. Guess he just felt like gambling, and showing us that not all good players are always playing well, even in 25ks

05-23-2012 , 12:51 PM

#46

slevin90

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Wow this hand was hard to believe.

05-23-2012 , 01:02 PM

#47

LOL POT-ODDS

Pooh-Bah

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what an autistic play from the grinder

05-23-2012 , 01:35 PM

#48

busto_soon

old hand

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FieryJustice

Mizrachi raised to 2.25bbs from middle position, which he had been doing a lot. I look to the left and see Antonio perk up a bit when he looked at his hand in the big blind. He only had 15bbs. I had 40bbs. I wake up with AK in the small blind. I decided to call to induce an Antonio spaz plus a Mizrachi spaz.

hah I'm sorry but I have to call bs on this one, I really doubt if Antonio gives away that tell. Way more likely you made this up after the hand to make yourself look better.. either way, ul gg

sidenote; why not 3b huge vs. a guy with a 0% f3b?