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Wpt 25k championship this bubble hand is hard to believe Wpt 25k championship this bubble hand is hard to believe

05-23-2012 , 07:24 AM
According to the wpt live updates, going into this hand, playing 6000-12000 2000, grinder has just over 500k, Jonathan
Little, 400k, and Antonio less than 200k. They are close to a $40k plus money bubble. Hard to imagine how grinder got in over 40bb preflop with qj against two players.



Antonio Esfandiari (with about 170,000) and Jonathan Little (with about 400,000) are both all in preflop against Michael Mizrachi. Here are their hands:

Michael Mizrachi: Q-J
Jonathan Little: A-K
Antonio Esfandiari: K-J

Mizrachi started with the worst hand, but caught a queen on the turn to win the entire pot and eliminate both players on the verge of the money bubble.

Michael Mizrachi - 1,180,000
Jonathan Little - Out in 20th Place
Antonio Esfandiari - Out in 21st Place

With 19 players remaining, the field begins hand-for-hand play on the money bubble. The top 18 players are guaranteed at least $40,266.

There are 20 minutes left in the last level of the day, and the tournament staff says that will be the end of the night, even if the field is still on the money bubble.
05-23-2012 , 07:31 AM
Jonathan Little must be pissed!
05-23-2012 , 07:33 AM
Absurdity. From Little's tweets, I'm pretty sure Grinder opened in late position, Little flatted the SB (live tell that Antonius had a decent had and would squeeze I guess), Antonius jams, then Mizrachi iso jams (LOL). Little then overcalls and loses. Mizrachi's iso is one of the worst of all time probably. Live tournaments are tough etc.
05-23-2012 , 07:33 AM
My bustout hand was a thing of beauty. Mizrachi raised to 2.25bbs from middle position, which he had been doing a lot. I look to the left and see Antonio perk up a bit when he looked at his hand in the big blind. He only had 15bbs. I had 40bbs. I wake up with AK in the small blind. I decided to call to induce an Antonio spaz plus a Mizrachi spaz. Antonio snap goes all in, as does Mizrachi. I think for like 3 seconds then realize folding would be dumb because this is 100% what I wanted. Antonio had KJ and Mizrachi had QJ. Too bad the Q came.
05-23-2012 , 07:40 AM
Hard to believe? Everything I've read about the 25K has pointed out that Mizrachi has been playing pretty much every hand.

It would have been hard to believe if Mizrachi folded QJ.
05-23-2012 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CompleteDonk
Absurdity. From Little's tweets, I'm pretty sure Grinder opened in late position, Little flatted the SB (live tell that Antonius had a decent had and would squeeze I guess), Antonius jams, then Mizrachi iso jams (LOL). Little then overcalls and loses. Mizrachi's iso is one of the worst of all time probably. Live tournaments are tough etc.
05-23-2012 , 07:46 AM
Well i cant see the logics behind that qj isolation play seems like he was just gambling and nothing wrong with that.
05-23-2012 , 07:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CompleteDonk
Absurdity. .... Mizrachi iso jams (LOL). Mizrachi's iso is one of the worst of all time probably.
uh?
9bb in pot. 13bb to call. ideal shove spot for Antonio. Mizrachi covers both blinds.
standard iso.

what would you do??
05-23-2012 , 07:55 AM
I think its a fold w/ AK right there.

Firstly its the bubble, and the cash is always a cash even if for those players 40k is just a 4bet in their normal cahs games.

Secondly, i would put antonio in a A high or a K high hand, which would cut my outs if i held AK and saw grinder shoving, which shows some kind of isolation power (QJ is his bottom range i believe). 40bbs is an absolutely playable stack.
05-23-2012 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Lio Nunez
I think its a fold w/ AK right there.

Firstly its the bubble, and the cash is always a cash even if for those players 40k is just a 4bet in their normal cahs games.

Secondly, i would put antonio in a A high or a K high hand, which would cut my outs if i held AK and saw grinder shoving, which shows some kind of isolation power (QJ is his bottom range i believe). 40bbs is an absolutely playable stack.
lol...
05-23-2012 , 08:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lio Nunez
I think its a fold w/ AK right there.

Firstly its the bubble, and the cash is always a cash even if for those players 40k is just a 4bet in their normal cahs games.

Secondly, i would put antonio in a A high or a K high hand, which would cut my outs if i held AK and saw grinder shoving, which shows some kind of isolation power (QJ is his bottom range i believe). 40bbs is an absolutely playable stack.
Please tell us more about things you would not do in tournaments you will never play.
05-23-2012 , 08:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lio Nunez
I think its a fold w/ AK right there.

Firstly its the bubble, and the cash is always a cash even if for those players 40k is just a 4bet in their normal cahs games.

Secondly, i would put antonio in a A high or a K high hand, which would cut my outs if i held AK and saw grinder shoving, which shows some kind of isolation power (QJ is his bottom range i believe). 40bbs is an absolutely playable stack.
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05-23-2012 , 08:14 AM
did antonio say "weeeeeeeeeee" ?
05-23-2012 , 08:36 AM
Trevorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr gogogogo
05-23-2012 , 08:37 AM
Why doesn't Little just fold here?
05-23-2012 , 08:47 AM
Is BBV down?
05-23-2012 , 08:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by play4purple
Please tell us more about things you would not do in tournaments you will never play.
Imply that u actually have played the 25k? ROFLMAO
05-23-2012 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by David123
did antonio say "weeeeeeeeeee" ?
I'm not gonna lie, I lol'd at this...
05-23-2012 , 09:43 AM
Personally I like the iso raise from grinder. I think that the range of hands that Little flats with here far exceeds the number of hands he can possibly call with. Im assuming the only hands he can call with here are AA/AK/QQ and maybe JJ, whereas you could be flatting the raise with a large portion of hands. Grinder obviously knows his and he assumes you will probably fold. He also can't flat the 3 bet as then if you ship it he has to fold. He has massive amount of fold equity vs Little due to the bubble dynamics and stack sizes. QJ isn't really the best hand to do this with but I'm sure grinder thinks he is flipping a lot here v Antonio and assuming Litle folds he is getting ~1.7:1 which I think makes it +ev in the long run. If Little had 77 and snap folded this discussion would not exist.
05-23-2012 , 10:12 AM
What's Little's flatting range here honestly. I would think he 3-bets mediocre hands quite often and only flats monsters. Super exploitable but if grinder is isoing so wide it's probably the best play. Which would make the iso shove by grinder bad.
05-23-2012 , 10:15 AM
I don't feel great about Jonathan "hoping for a squeeze play from someone that perked up when they looked at their cards".
05-23-2012 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by realebird
Personally I like the iso raise from grinder. I think that the range of hands that Little flats with here far exceeds the number of hands he can possibly call with. Im assuming the only hands he can call with here are AA/AK/QQ and maybe JJ, whereas you could be flatting the raise with a large portion of hands. Grinder obviously knows his and he assumes you will probably fold. He also can't flat the 3 bet as then if you ship it he has to fold. He has massive amount of fold equity vs Little due to the bubble dynamics and stack sizes. QJ isn't really the best hand to do this with but I'm sure grinder thinks he is flipping a lot here v Antonio and assuming Litle folds he is getting ~1.7:1 which I think makes it +ev in the long run. If Little had 77 and snap folded this discussion would not exist.
I like this explanation.

I imagine Little can't be that disappointed with the hand at all. He played his opponents well and unfortunately got sucked out on. Would like Little's perspective, but I assume if he had the option to play this hand again he'd do the same thing every time.
05-23-2012 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by play4purple
Please tell us more about things you would not do in tournaments you will never play.
This is excellent.
05-23-2012 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Kralex
I like this explanation.

I imagine Little can't be that disappointed with the hand at all. He played his opponents well and unfortunately got sucked out on. Would like Little's perspective, but I assume if he had the option to play this hand again he'd do the same thing every time.
Post #4
05-23-2012 , 10:20 AM
I dislike the Grinder

      
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