First hand:

I have 25k at 300/600 and open to 1625 with 86dd and a solid image that has gotten more active in the most recent orbit. Folds to a british recreational young player OTB who looks just like durr, and my reads on him include "he likes to apply aggression, but in the completely wrong spots. always bets when checked to".

So, he calls OTB with a similar stacksize (25k) and it folds to the BB who also calls. BB is a guy in his thirties who has been playing nitty, but due to being slapped in the head by the deck he has a huge stack but he has shown down often, and with the goods. additionally he hasnt really gotten out of line, to the point of being incredibly ABC and really lacking in understanding valuebets. he comes off as an inexperienced player who "may" be +EV in this tournament just from being so tight and straightforward.

So, I had 86dd. Flop comes 986 rainbow. checked to me, I bet 4100 into 5300 or so. The british durrr look-alike thinks for a minute or so and elects to flatcall. As I'm thinking about an optimal turn line, the BB thinks for what seems like a minute or two contemplating, and then I realize hes probably going to checkraise. He follows through by raising 9k more.

wat. nooooooooooo.

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Now to another hand. We are at 500/1k/100. Folds to me and with a 15k stack I raise to 2800 with eights. Folds to the same uncreative nit who calls from the BB after some hesitation. I usually think this is some connecting cards or a small pair or something like A8 "just because i have 125k so lets see a flop". Also of note was it was the last hand of the day, and Im a young internet looking guy so I guess it could look like I was more often likely to have non-strong hands in my opening range.

Anyways he calls. Flop is QT4dd. We both check.

Turn is QT42dd. We both check.

River is QT42Q. He checks, and I elect to bet 4k into the pot of around 6k.

hand one I may check the flop if durrrr look alike will almost always bet so that I can levy a nice check-raise. As played its an easy fold.

Hand two looks good though a turn bet is also fine.

Fold hand 1 .

I like hand 2.

1 aint no ez fold imo

as played, id fold hand 1 but like cornell fiji's suggestion.

i play hand 2 the same.

i considered the flop cr briefly but if it checked through i would prolly die

if the player who always bets when checked to checks behind...


is the player in hand 1 bad enough to c/r an overpair? that's the question that needs asked.

hand 2 i probably just check behind. i mean, what is this guy checking 3 times but hero calling on the river? fives?

i could never put bb in hand 1 on TT+, he is nitty but with my open and a button flatcall i think he has to be rr'ing there. but hed call with like AQ.

Sucks, but have to fold in hand 1.

Hand two looks good, I sometimes bet turn as well. I might go for smaller value on the river if he's the type of live player who folds to what seems like larger bets.

I don't like a turn bet on hand 2.

Bakes,
What do you put him on that in hand 1? I think all the hands that we beat have to be seriously discounted given description and bet sizing, and I think that 99/88/66/98 all make perfect sense, as well as a discounted 86 and 75 (maybe like only suited or something).

I don't know that I would call hand 1 an "easy" fold, but its a fold nonetheless. Nothing in you read indicates that hero would do this with a worse hand (unless he's stupid and has A9?).

Hand 2 initially seemed standard to me. However, you did not really elaborate in your read whether this guy ever folds a better hand (I know not what you are really trying to do) or call w/a worse had. I know checking 3 streets seems gross here, but given your original description of villain, I don't know how much value you get here.

if he's aggressive in the wrong spots, seems like it could easily be 77, A9, TT-JJ, no? Definitely not an easy fold, I think I'm going with it sometimes.

I check down in hand 2, your stack size is key here imo. You can't really afford to lose more chips and I think he's calling you with worse so infrequently that it's not worth it for the rare times he calls and turns over like 99 and you're like wtf? I don't like betting the turn either again with your stack size you're gonna hate life if he check/shoves.

Hand 1 I think is waaay closer than everyone thinks as I struggle to find many hands that a tight bb would call with pre that has you beat but I guess folding is ok.

AGame i wish i was smart enough to consider that =(

I think hand one is real close. It wouldn't surprise me if the young British guy was thinking you are trying to win he pot there and then and he is calling with something like AK, especially after your description of him. Either that or he has a draw or slow playing a big PP. (Not saying he is playing well, but you don't describe him as a good player...). BB might very well have a big PP here and thinks they are good at this point, and could also be thinking that he has a lot of chips anyway, so let's gamble...

In short, I might shove here.

Hand 2, checking it down seems good. You aren't going to get paid off by a value bet here imo.

i dont really like the way you played these hands. first hand i dont really like the betsize id make it a little smaller eventhough the boards kinda cordinated just due to stack sizes, and id fold to the c/r to this guy but basically no one else. if you bet hand 2 you have to call a rAISe, id probably check tho AND snap off river bluffs from someone like this

BB is a nit, button is aggressive in wrong spots.

H1 looks standard
H2 i check behind because nits wont call you w/ worse ever and because of what agame said

Hand 1: I'd fold. Not many hands that you can beat that he would do this with

Hand 2: Why the bet on the river? Your hand has showdown value and I have the feeling you will hardly ever get called by worse

my bad. ignore my original advice and fold like everyone is saying, I guess.

I like the way you played the second hand. I don't think he has anything, maybe a decent A at best. Do you think he would have fired with 77-55 on the turn after you checked to him? I know i would have. If not, bet a small amount that could get called on river by A.


Hand one is sick because i think you mostly likely found the 9 with the buttons call, but the BB i really think could have tried to slow play something. The question that i think is imperative you get answered when considering his bet is how does he view you and the other guy in the pot. If he feels you two are aggressive i think his range his much more toward 10-AA and was trying to trap one of you. With the way the hand came down i think the only way you achieve the optimal answer is to talk to the guy and try to get him to talk. Its sooo close. I would probably talk to the opponent and see if i could get anymore info, but if not fold. Also, given your description of the button i would have went for a CR as some of the other posters already stated.

you misread the post is why no one responded to your advice. The Durr look-a-like gut OTB is the aggressive guy who applys aggreesive in wrong spots. The BB who C/R is straight-forward ABC dood

hand 1 - I like a smaller flop bet into the pot - something like $2500 or a check hoping for the C/R, but getting checked around sucks!

hand 2 - I can't see this guy making hero calls often enough to get value on the river and also it does atleast give you an imagine at showdown to flip 88s and checked down. Might use that for meta - game later, but you may already created your image, not sure the dynamics

1)foldofldofldfodfodlfdofldfldfodlfldfodfold
2)another one of those 'it looks like a value bet and online it might be a value bet but live it's not because he doesn't call with A high even though he should' hands

Clay, would you have cbet that board in hand 1 w/ air? i'm uusally giving up on those flops 3 handed, and if theres a guy who you think is betting too often when checked too, this is the time to exploit it. It getting checked through is a little lame but not the end of the world, you'll still prob have the best hand.

as played fold cause he doesnt sound like the kind of guy to spaz out w/ A9 or semibluff JT so small. (his raise is like 1/2 pot)

hand 2 what position are you in? "folds to me" doesnt really work, i think theres a good chance i just shove pf. Or if you're in UTG-MP1 i might just fold with that stack. Depending on the blinds you can raise-call, but only if they're the type to 3bet you, old/middleaged dudes wont, and getting flat called sucks imo.

as played, meh, i dont see you getting paid off much by worse, and i can see him having better (which is never folding)

i think the cr is prolly optimal in hand one

hand 2 i was in the hijack i think, maybe 1 position earlier

i spoke to villain in hand 1 today and he said he had "fifty three of diamonds". i found this hard to believe, but then 2 hours later he took a huge tagfish line against a nit frenchman that went as follows

raise ep from villain, frenchie calls LP

flop comes Q53hh, villain bets, frenchie raises, villain reraises setting up a PSB or so left, frenchie tanks and calls

turn Kh, check check

river 3, villain shoves, frenchies thinks forever and folds AQ faceup, villain shows AJ.

so im kinda sick but i still like my fold, tho a CR is prolly best



hand 2 ive heard responses from very bad to very standard, i guess it depends. anyways he thought for a minute before calling with JTo. meow.