What grade would you guys give meatloaf PWO?

Also here in the next week or so I'm gonna do some sprint stuff. I really know hardly anything about running a 40. What are my chances of running it in 5 seconds? Lol easy? Lol ya right tough?

The only grading I give is on taste (which precludes most pre-made stuff) and protein content. So anywhere from B+ to E.

Found a link on sprinting a while back that looked ok, ignore the lifting stuff, lame URL and pics.
http://www.simplyshredded.com/crank-...-training.html

Well that seems pretty interesting. I've certainly noticed that sprinters certainly seem to consistently have good physiques.

So that's great. Being a better sprinter will improve my vert, my basketball, and my physique.

A+

I don't see how that argues against my initial claim. My initial claim was basically that people prematurely stop progressing because either A. they don't bring it intensity-wise, and/or B. they confine themselves to too low a volume given their intensity based on SS/TM style programming. Since it is difficult to teach yourself intensity, I certainly have a hard time with it at least, maybe some people should consider drastically increasing their volume over a long period of time and not worrying about "overtraining". The 70sBig guys are examples of people that can attack a rep, which allows for progress through less volume.

So we are in agreement that TM is a logical stepping stone after SS, but that it is not meant to be done in perpetuity. Beyond that we're really just arguing on what we think is realistic without any good empirical data.

I think a lot of people get stuck on SS/TM because of their lack of intensity. If they played around with higher volume, and managed to teach themselves how to actually attack a rep, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect them to someday be able to squat double what they squatted when they quit SS.

I dunno, maybe I'm just a blind optimist. My progress is extremely slow at this point. But my 1rm when I stopped SS was about 275, and I sure expect myself to squat 550 some day, even though I can't squat 405 right now. There's just so many qualities of squat strength that I haven't begun to specifically address.

Ehhhh.... Although I agree with a lot of what you said, I think you have unrealistic expectations of 99% of the population that finishes SS (which is a small enough population as is).

I agree people should experiment with more volume and really see what types of intensity levels they are capable of. I'm sure most people don't bring it 100% everytime they lift.

So while I agree with your overall ideology, I don't agree with your expectations.

To clarify, I don't expect them to stay with it and put in the effort required to get there. I just expect that it is within what they are capable of from a genetic perspective.

Maybe "expect" is a pretty misleading word to use there.

Why do you think that? Is it because you're not really "going hard"?

So you think our CNS can tell the difference between me pulling 700 and you pulling 400?

Then, firstly, I suspect you're not DLing your true 95% for reps. And I'm less talking about once a week, and more talking multiple times per week. If you'd have said the latter, then I would say no, you can't keep that up regardless of training age or strength level.

While I do agree that larger more muscular people need increased recovery, I suspect that me lifting/taxing my body at 100% is the same as you lifting and taxing your body at 100%, we're just using different weight to achieve that.

I don't think you're confused, but I'm of the opinion that if you are say...squatting, 3x per week, then two of your squatting sessions probably suck and probably aren't providing much benefit outside of form check or whatever.

Anecdotally, my training partner from 2007-2009 started out a complete novice. He was 160lbs body weight, former high school cross county runner, and had never lifted in his life. In the two years we lifted together he did exactly what i did as far as exercises, sets, reps, no more, no less. That meant squatting and pulling at a maximum once per week, and usually just twice a month. In that time frame he went from 160lbs to 230lbs bodyweight, his deadlift went from 275 to 505, and his front squat from pathetic to 405. I couldn't even count how many times he puked during training, and I couldn't count how many times he would talk about stumbling around or his legs giving out while walking around after squatting. I remember him texting me once saying that he fell down in this kitchen and was stuck on the floor after squatting. Do I think he could have squatted 3x per week during that time? No, not the way we were squatting. Do I think he could have made more progress another way? Maybe. The one thing he didn't do, however, was miss a training session in that time frame and he never stopped lifting until he had given 100%+, and I made sure it was really 100%+.

Lifting and getting big and strong is so simple.

Cliffs: Moar WIM

But I have a hard time believing that squatting DLing once a week is better for a total novice than the SS template.

I squat/ DL once a week now, and I like it and think it's great for me. I think I would have been wasting time if I started this way, tho.

I could be wrong, I am def more inclined to believe someone like u

Perhaps, but I have taken 3 complete noobs and had them train squats/dl/press 1x per week with me and all responded very very well. Pure anecdote though, and maybe it wasn't optimal.

Again, they were with me and I made sure their sets were done at 100% and correctly. Perhaps that's the defining difference? I doubt it, but maybe. *shrug*

As a side note, in the last 15 years I have had 7 training partners, and I'd be surprised if any of them are even lifting weights now. Makes me sad.

G4S - Looks like I'm a confirmed pussy. So is Cha apparently (but likely much less so), but at least he can say he's old and had F'd up discs or whatever.

Hmmm, I know how to give 100% (or pretty much 100%) in basketball. I know how to give it playing chess (but never did). I know how to do it at work if necessary (sometimes). How the hell do I do it at lifting? Am I just waiting too long for "correct form" to be ingrained in my head before I go balls to the wall?

Ok, I'll def agree that me doing SS on my own (fumbling through bad form, dealing with terrible reading comprehension, no knowledge of exercise science, no coaching, etc) wouldn't be nearly as good as working with someone like you and doing whatever they told me to do.

I would certainly be able to start out the weights wayyyy higher, make way faster (and more confident) progress, and have the built in motivation of a knowledgeable lifting partner.

But yeah, I dunno how much difference there would be in you pushing a novice on SS vs you pushing a novice on what you do.

so i used to eat eggs only scrambled but recently i've been cracking them open right into the pan and then after a few minutes i flip them over and cook the other side for a few minutes. when i cut into them they are still fairly runny in the middle. what method of cooking eggs is this?

over easy

http://www.seriouseats.com/2007/10/h...over-easy.html

So, I'm up to the part of knee rehab (had a partial menisectomy on Tuesday) that involves air squats. I do a few half squats and my quads feel really tight. Obviously I swing my leg back to shake / stretch it out because that's what I do when my legs are sore. Previously not been able to move is back past about 90 degrees. FML that hurt. Hope I haven't done any permanent damage by being an idiot. :S

ty fredd

Over easy ftw, although don't give up scrambled eggs just yet:

http://lifehacker.com/5199462/gordon...-egg-breakfast

So crushingly superior to 'standard' scrambled eggs. Add bacon, portobello mushrooms, cherry tomatoes and pan-seared toast for the breakfast of champions. Eat that about half the Saturdays before working out with 4-5 eggs.

I don't mean to insult you, but, seriously? How does a grown ass man not know this?

Also, you'll soon find that eggs over easy >>> scrambled eggs.

lol, yea you're probably right. i thought over easy was cooked just in the pan without flipping it over so i thought it might be called something else. but yes, i do enjoy them way more than scrambled.

/ME Captain obvious:

I does seem simple, but most people never have the requisite will and dedication to work at that level. The intensity level that you guys work at is inspiring. Your partner burnout rate is pretty indicative of the fact that few will ever reach and stay at an elite level. Us normal joes just have to accept that we may only ever be slightly above mediocre. Among other things I prefer to be able to walk the next day and I do my best to keep my food down.

Much like basketball and chess, it takes time to develop some skill that comes naturally, to the point where your body and mind will do exactly what you want it to do without much thought. Win or lose you know 100% that there was nothing else you could have done. Same with lifting, if you walk away from a set knowing it wasn't all you had, stalled on a rep and just pussed out instead of grinding on it for the 10 seconds needed to get it, etc...then there is room for adjustment imo.

Maybe, I've said from day one this forum is a little too nitty on form. Granted, it's not a bad thing... unless it starts getting in the way of progress.

I get what you're saying, and I say mediocre sucks.

I look at myself though, and think that if I can do it, anyone can.

I do understand that everyone has different priorities, and there are certainly things for me that rank way ahead of my training and athletic career.

Poached >> over easy >> scrambled imo. Poached eggs on toast with the breakfast meat of your choice is a damn fine breakfast.

Im gonna order some bands and micro plates. Only place I know of is EliteFTS, where else can I order this stuff? A site that have free shipping within the US or reasonable shipping to Europe would be great

sunny side up AINEC

Poached and properly done scrambled (like the recipe I linked) >>> over easy. You're just a noob if you think otherwise. Although over easy is still very good. <3 eggs.

there are subtle but significant differences between this and your original post. and most people who struggle with A so badly that they can't get anywhere on SS/TM (or substitute any low volume, heavy programming) aren't going anywhere regardless.