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03-16-2011 , 06:17 AM

#676

zinna

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Soulman

How is "feeling like your life is in danger" defined by the law? Sounds very subjective.

It may very well be something like that. In swedish law your are allowed to use whatever amount force is necesary if your or someone else life or health is in danger. If someone then press charges its will be tested in court. Obv you cant smash a baseball bat in the head of someone who pushed you but if someone is hunting you with a knife you might get a way with it.

Guns is probably totally diffrent since we have sane gun laws and you cant buy guns and cereal at the same place and except for hunting and sport shooting (nor sure of the right word for this) you cant own guns.

IANAL (my latest learned acronym)

03-16-2011 , 07:53 AM

#677

Doug Funnie II

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Originally Posted by kyleb

There is this giant bull**** movement on baseball sites (including EC's) about how Olympic lifts are no good for baseball players because they operate mostly in the transverse plane while throwing a baseball is rotational and therefore mostly bound to the sagittal and coronal planes. It's ****ing nonsense **** that ignores the whole continuum of GPP/SPP.

You see it all the time wrt football arguments (often on this board too). The argument that the standing press > bench press and that the bench isn't necessary in a football player's program is reasonable (but wrong IMO). The counter-argument that the bench press is important because it develops strength in the coronal plane is absolutely nonsense, as are related arguments that the incline bench is better than the bench press because of the angle geometry of the movement compared to the flat supine bench press.

No, the bench press is useful in a football player's program because there are few (no?) better ways to develop pectoral strength and training the long head of the triceps in a pressing motion. The bench press can be incrementally loaded with ease; weighted push-ups cannot. Dips aren't useful if you can't do a single unweighted one (and don't have a gravitron or crazy band setup) and at very heavy weights, they are unstable and dangerous.

I would ask that people stop bastardizing exercise science when it comes to sports, but that is too tall of an order. Just remember this:

This is a continuum. Training on one end works for reasons that training on the other end does not. And crossing that continuum and doing things in the middle can **** up a biomechanical movement pattern of an athlete in an attempt to get a "better" training stimulus.

Movements on both ends have valid reasons for being there and should not be replaced by stuff in the middle. That's a great way to guarantee mediocrity.

End of line.

Good post. I'm not really that cognizant of what the newest POV is for golf strength training, but historically it has been heavily weighted towards more golf-specific movements like med ball rotational throws and wood choppers with a little more GPP work like grip strength. This always struck me as highly ******ed because you cannot safely load medicine ball throws to a point where a real change in strength occurs, and the movement is close enough to a golf swing to give you some bad habits.

03-16-2011 , 07:54 AM

#678

Doug Funnie II

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Originally Posted by zinna

IANAL

That's what she said.

03-16-2011 , 08:21 AM

#679

JohnnyFondue

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More stories from KPC pls, ty

03-16-2011 , 08:21 AM

#680

Soulman

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Quote:

I3ANAL

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Funnie II

That's what she said.

FYFYP

03-16-2011 , 08:31 AM

#681

Phatony

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Since starting lifting I have gained about 1.5 clubs distance. Nothing golf specific, just squats, deads, press, bench, rows.

EDIT: Referring to Doug's post obv

03-16-2011 , 09:37 AM

#682

Gorilla4Sale

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TxRedMan

(A: I live in Texas

(B: I'm licensed to carry

(C: I've been collecting, shooting, and studying everything from the law to ballistics and anything inbetween.

I probably could have stopped at "I live in Texas". I am positive I am sounding arrogant but firearms and the law happen to be one subject I am very educated on, and IANAL (i hate that acronym), but my advice to you is to never, ever, put 18 rounds into an intruder unless it is absolutely necessary.

Furthermore, it is wreckless and ignorant to sleep with a firearm under your pillow. If you want access to your gun and aren't worried about who else might acces it (a point of view which is frowned upon) you should keep the gun on your night stand. Since you mentioned 18 rounds, I'm assuming your pistol is possibly a Beretta, and I hope it is instead of a Glock 17, b/c if you're keeping one in the chamber with a Glock under your pillow, **** man, accidents happen. Everyone who owns guns long enough has some type of accident. I really hope you aren't seriously sleeping with one in the chamber under your pillow in the most commonly carried handgun around, thats trigger acts as its safety.

Remember when it comes to using a gun in defense, you have to feel your life or another is in danger, and if you do use your gun you will often be put through a very scrutinizing process, and, there's both criminal and civil courts.

I'm not trying to be a dick G4S, but even things like spouting off on an internet forum about "empty the clip into them all 18 rounds" or whatever you said, that's something that someone who knows just how serious it can be one day would never write in a public forum. Just take the advice, please, I'm not trying to one up you, I'm trying to inform you about something you sound like you don't (most gun owners don't) have enough respect for.

I'm glad you're very educated on this subject. I'm not a lawyer either, but I have been a law enforcement officer for the last 13 years.

Reckless, btw. But seriously, I was clearly being facetious regarding the gun under the pillow, and the carpeting in general. Not sure how much more obv that could have been.

That being said, I still think your hypothetical argument regarding the number of times a victim can shoot and intruder and it still be considered self defense is pretty lolable. You continue to use force until the threat has been neutralized and you feel safe. **** in real life isn't like the movies, shooting someone one time in a situation like that is usually not even going to drop them to the ground (obv can be dependent on weapon choice).

So, please cite one case where someone has been prosecuted and convicted for shooting an intruder too many times.

*eta - these laws can vary state to state, please be aware what your state laws are, and whether they are Castle Laws, Stand Your Ground Laws, a duty to retreat clause, etc...

03-16-2011 , 09:40 AM

#683

Soulman

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Originally Posted by Gorilla4Sale

But seriously, I was clearly being facetious regarding the gun under the pillow, and the carpeting in general. Not sure how much more obv that could have been.

You could have had huge, blinking warning sign pics before and after your post, so pretty bad job there mr Officer.

03-16-2011 , 09:46 AM

#684

Gorilla4Sale

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My bad. I guess I give this crowd too much credit?

03-16-2011 , 09:49 AM

#685

Soulman

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Much better

03-16-2011 , 10:01 AM

#686

sylar

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NSFW

interesting show of support for Japan in wake of the earthquake/tsunami

http://femen.livejournal.com/142277.html#cutid1

03-16-2011 , 10:04 AM

#687

downtown

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03-16-2011 , 10:04 AM

#688

skeletor121

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I got yelled at in a training scenario when I shot the video suspect in the top of his head while he was falling down (shoot/don't shoot scenarios). It is surprising how fast you can actually shoot, especially accurately, when doing these type of things. I think I hit him 7/8 times. 3 of the shots were while he was falling.

I told the instructor that he still had a gun in his hand and didn't know if he was faking it or not, so I kept shooting until he hit the deck. He said that my thought process was good and would probably hold up in court.

03-16-2011 , 10:17 AM

#689

YetioDoom

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In Goldeneye for N64 the bad guys make a distinct noise when they die so you know when to stop shooting and conserve ammo

03-16-2011 , 10:50 AM

#690

Soulman

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Should be implemented in irl. Think of the environmental savings. Wouldn't prevent blue on blue, but you'd know if you ****ed up too.

03-16-2011 , 11:09 AM

#691

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G4S would be ****ed in court. "you feared for your life? C'mon.".

kpc's story is awesome. What's funny is if I saw that from 50 feet away, I'd think kpc was a bully dick. But if I were standing behind him in line I'd take his side and buy him a taco.

03-16-2011 , 11:37 AM

#692

Ra_Z_Boy

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The more I read this chaos and pain blog, the more I realise this guy is a bit of an imbecile who is trying to use popular rhetoric in these subjects to draw attention to himself.

He seems to generally know his stuff but is flat out wrong a lot. He also hilariously misrepresents people/things he is arguing against. Often then going on to suggest how he would do things differently which happens to be the same **** the people he is detracting against also recommend.

Here for example:

http://www.chaosandpain.com/content/oderint-dum-metuant

He manages to completely mischaracterise the book Starting Strength to the point its abundantly clear he hasn't read it at all. Rather just looked up the wiki page or something.

Here's why it 'sucks' according to him:

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one cannot lift in anything but Chuck Taylors, who squat pathetically light weights fairly deep (ATG advocates are so vocal because they need to publicly excuse the PATHETIC ****ing weights that they lift. Ever read Tom Platz whining about how he squatted deeper than everyone else? Nope. Know why? HE WAS TOO BUSY ****ING SQUATTING.),

Aside from the fact the Chuck Taylor comment makes no sense as he more commonly recommends weightlifting shoes (he must be confusing him with Louie, someone he fellates, which is a theme of the blog and quite ironic). He also ignores the fact that far from squatting pathetically light weights, starting strength involves the most aggressive scaling for a novice that is literally possible without steroids. Nice try. Try reading the book or having a clue next time.

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use a training volume so astonishingly light that even people with cancer of the AIDS could easily handle,

Why would you want volume in a novice progression? He doesn't once mention that this is designed for novices and that volume comes later in development. He ignores the whole concept of a novice lifter. Because he doesn't have a notion what he is talking about with these concepts and hasn't read the book. The book that's main value is in the teaching of the lifts by far. The book which squat section alone is comprehensive enough biomechanically and from a coaching/lifters perspective to be one of the best manuals ever written.

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who think that doing Pendlay rows with preloaded barbells will give them a "barn-door back" because their form is strict

Not even part of the book. Flat out ******ed strawmanning to boot.

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and who refuse to deviate from their workout AT ALL, for fear of overtraining. Nevermind the fact that there's evidence ranging from the success people have had with Sheiko and Smolov, the Bulgarian weightlifting regimen, Westside Barbell, every strongman program on Earth, and the training volume of every single pro football team on the planet.

Don't deviate until the ****ing novice progression is finished you mongoloid. All those programs are UNSUITABLE FOR NOVICES.

He then goes on to recommend crossfit. I mean this is a lolfest.

He once again fellates Chad Waterbury. A hero of his in this industry it seems despite the fact that Chad has praised starting strength in the past. Also he seems to hate 5x5 schemes or programming when Chad has said its the best set/rep scheme.

I could go on like this with so many of his posts.

He also is distastefully homophobic and seems to think it hilarious to make fun of countries suffering from AID's epidemics. I guess they aren't as awesome he is.

Last edited by Ra_Z_Boy; 03-16-2011 at 11:43 AM.

03-16-2011 , 11:48 AM

#693

Gorilla4Sale

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kidcolin

G4S would be ****ed in court. "you feared for your life? C'mon.".

lol, in a similar line, every time we train USD it's pretty much a given in most scenarios that if I start to resist, I'm getting shot before I even really get to fight.

03-16-2011 , 12:00 PM

#694

Ra_Z_Boy

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Originally Posted by kidcolin

G4S would be ****ed in court. "you feared for your life? C'mon.".
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LOL

03-16-2011 , 12:18 PM

#695

Ra_Z_Boy

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The guy attacks HIT. Absolutely standard for any badass lifter to do. It is rather like beating up a disabled kid though. Too easy, so no one wins.

http://www.chaosandpain.com/content/...rse****-part-1
http://www.chaosandpain.com/content/...rse****-part-2

[Owned by swear filter. The words should be obvious though]

Yet he utterly fails. He gets arm barred by the kid with down syndrome on his first couple of points alone.

Quote:

1. That heavier training through progression took more of a toll on the body as one progressed. (Wisdom of Mike Mentzer p. 50) He apparently failed algebra, as had he done the math, he'd have recognized that 90% of a 1RM is still 90% of a 1RM, even when the RM increases drastically, and that training at that intensity takes the same toll on the body, no matter how low or high the RM (rep max).

So completely and utterly false I shouldn't feel the need to point out why. Advanced lifters take much longer to recover from high intensity efforts than do beginners. This is obvious. Thy is why Bulgarian weightlifters and Westside guys alike, two groups he idolises, do balls out 1RM's very seldomly. This is as close as it gets to a fact in this infant science. This is also completely contradictory to his comments elsewhere:

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it's been widely demonstrated that no two people are "essentially the same", exhibiting widely varying metabolisms, enzymatic processes, organ location and sizes, and muscle fiber compositions.

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To begin, I believe that everyone is a highly unique individual, with varying work capacities and biological composition. This belief is founded in a great deal of science, ranging from the work of Roger Williams in "Biochemical Individuality" to a variety of other authors and anecdotal evidence, including my own experience.

Way to own yourself.

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#
# That the more intense the workout, the shorter it should be. "For every slight increase in intensity, there has to be a disproportionate decrease in volume." (WMM p. 50) At the time, the Bulgarians were drastically increasing the volume of their programs, and began training up to 8 hours a day. Elite athletes found that the stronger they became, the more they needed to train in order to get results, rather than less, as Mentzer believed.

Bulgarians were increasing the volume of their programs over time as their work capacity etc increased. Its also a weekly/daily volume. Rather than an exercise.

However larger intensity means there has to be a reduced volume in an exercise is again, completely obviously true. Louie and the Westside guys base their max effort stuff off Prilepins chart still. No one can do 10x10 or even 3x10 with their 10 rep max. I have never seen such an inept criticism of HIT.

03-16-2011 , 12:52 PM

#696

HalfSlant

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I visited the blog once, a long time ago, was turned off by the over the top machismo and never went back. Looks like i'm not missing much ":P

03-16-2011 , 01:01 PM

#697

blackize

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He also goes on and on about paleo in like every post

03-16-2011 , 01:41 PM

#698

Soulman

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Sick rant/pwn Ra_Z

03-16-2011 , 02:35 PM

#699

downtown

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I love that blog but also think Ra_Z_Boy is correct in all his statements. I mean, I guess my point of view is that it's just a blog (take every blog with a grain of salt imo) and it's written in an offensive, entertaining manner.