Link to the webcast

Link to the current Pro Tour coverage

They're on a lunch break between quarters/semis right now, so they're showing something else on the webcast atm. Haven't been watching but they'll probably be back in just a bit.

EDIT: The computer stuff they're showing now is some MODO live thing they did, I guess? The PT Top 8 itself is filmed live.

Absolutely. There used to be a huge controversy with biased Japanese judges as well.

The French are bad cheaters too.

I mean, most everyone on the PT cheats. Americans are not exempt. I was just thinking of a recent example.

the rubin zoo extended deck is nasty.

I love the Dark Depths/Hexmage deck idea. If Dark Depths wasn't a 30 Buck card, I would build a deck around it.

Right when Hexmage came out and people saw the combo, SCG had it at $6, I considered buying some, ><

yeah really annoyed I didn't pick some up, though I don't have chrome moxes either and would rather not get them so I guess its a good thing

knight of the reliquary is probably going to jump from 7.50 to 10+ maybe near 15

I thought I had seen them on TCGPlayer for 5 bucks or so, but I figured that kind of jump wasn't possible. But looks like it did jump that much.

To me I thought it would be a nice cheap fake Stifle-Naught, but now its nearly as expensive, so whats even the point.

Did it just crash again? Wtf is wrong with this pos software?

Its better because the token is bigger and flies.

Yea, but doesn't the fact that both parts of the combo are creatures make it a little more iffy?

wait wat

if you play the depths then the hexmage, removal on the hexmage doesnt stop you from gettin a big dood

True, good point.

FWIW i think kibler is a cheater too. if u didnt see game 5 of his quarterfinal download and see it.

basically what happened is: his opponent resolves hypergenesis and puts progenitus and angel of despair into play. kibler puts 3 meddling mages into play but decides not to put baneslayer angel into play (correct play since angel of despair destroys it)
his opponent forgets about the CIP trigger though and doesnt destroy a permanent.
angel of despair is not a may effect U HAVE TO DESTRY A PERMANET.
KIBLER HAS TO REMIND HIS OPPONENT TO DESTROY SOMETHING.

tablejudge doesnt say a word.

kibler plays baneslayer, pathes the angel of despair and wins the game.

after the match in the interview he says that he didnt put the baneslayer into play because of the angel of despair. in other words he cheated.

Shrug. Yeah, it's cheating. But that's a minor offense and everyone would have done it in his spot.

If you use that definition of "cheating," then everyone at the PT cheats.

That being said, it's funny to see people who haven't been playing Magic for as long as I have clasp their hands around their mouth and say "I can't believe people cheat!" or "Yuuya Wantanabe has a clean reputation on the tour!"

Give me a ****ing break. I've seen it all. I've known some great cheaters. 95% of them don't get caught, and prior to Casey McCarrell's DQ @ US Nationals, the DCI didn't even take it seriously.

Hell, one great legendary cheater is now a high-ranking WotC employee.

who is it

Not going to out him, but to be fair, there are probably a few that fit that exact description.

its possible he thought angel was a may effect, its still a game play error on his part and a good chance of cheating

this is why nearly everything should be may effects, to prevent these situations

I like to think if I was in the same situation I would have pointed it out, I mean sure there is a lot of $ on the line but its pretty dirty to win as a result of something like that

I don't agree. The greek guy screwed up. The penalty that applies (if any) is Failure to Maintain Game State, which is a warning for the first offense. It's worth taking a warning to advance to the top four of a Pro Tour.

I've been playing a lot lately online... so addicting can't wait til wednesday the new zindakar is a great set and I've been teaching the grilfriend how to play also

meh idk thats exactly waht kai told me too.
FWIW im kinda sick about it cause
a) everyone saw it
b) noone seems to care
c) its so obv


idk maybe im just bitter cause i never achieved anything big in mtg ( and never cheated ldo)

uh and fwiw max bracht one of the hardcore cheaters in recent history is a buddy of mine and taught me pokers.

his fetchland lock story is legendary.

hes playing a legacy gp feature match on day 2. the mu is is salvager /lions eye combo deck vs burn.

max is on 2 life and is missing one combo piece.
any spell his opponent draws instantly wins the game and he also has 4 babarian ring.
unluckily max opponent draws a fetchland. he searches for a mountain and passes. max shuffles his library and puts another fetchland on top.
next turn his opponent draws a fetchland again cracks it and passes. max puts another fetchland on top again.
rinse repeat.

after 3 or 4 turns max finds the other combo piece and wins.

keep in mind theres a coverage guy and random others watching this

Fwiw if the head judge has reason to believe that he noticed that the effect was forced, and didn't say anything, it is a DQ for cheating. It is only a warning for failure to maintain game state if you actually did not notice it.

Not saying that Kibler did do it deliberately, he always seemed pretty fair player to me, but anyway those are the rules.

I know exactly who you're talking about. He was notorious for tapping City of Brass and gaining a life on his spin down Scrye counter when people weren't yet rocking the pen and paper as often.

did Kibler cheat because he told his opponent he had to destroy something? I feel like i'm missing something here.

Are there any matches online where the winner gets a card from the other player or something like that?

hahahahahahahahaha lololol

That is unbelievably funny because that is the EXACT STORY I tell everyone, right down to the Scrye counter.

Another good one is the buying back Volrath's Stronghold and other nonbasic lands with Oath of Ghouls or buying back spells with Volrath's Stronghold.

It's even more hilarious when you consider his teammate was a big time hater of cheats.

Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. It's very clearly cheating - Kibler almost certainly didn't miss it. But that can't be proven, so Pyromantha's comment can't really apply.

Hm. Can't say I know Max Bracht, but my knowledge of cheaters is mostly limited to Japanese and American pros. I just assume everyone in Europe cheats - specifically, the French.