the majors are basically a season each no?

more talking about dead time

high level dota is played for like 4-8 weeks out of the year in sum total, depending what you count

I feel like there's almost always pro games going on to the point where I don't really care until they approach TI main event (or majors now I guess)

probly my best tide game ever

I could eata.. plank-ton

Korea's approach to Broodwar as an e-sport was by the best example we have of something functional

I'm thinking I'm going to play like ~6 heroes in ranked. Approx 3 carry and 3 support. Really think I should give up Venge for BH in my agi support slot? What about Necro as int support?

Theoretical lineup atm: WK? (Viper?), PA, Weav/Jugg, Magnus (support mostly/early draft pick), Venge/BH, Necro/???

Thoughts?

never play necro as support

dont think venge or bounty should be considered agility, like wisp shouldnt be considered a strength support, etc.

BH is good when you have an aggressive lineup. If the rest of the team picks greedy stuff like AM, Morphling, any jungler, etc. you're not going to have a fun time.

Venge is never bad, but she's particularly good with right-click heavy lineups and other armor reducers like SF, Slardar who can abuse rosh.

Necro and Magnus are not supports. Supports are heroes that can effectively contribute in lane without farm and before level 6.

Viper is fine as long as you can last hit and the rest of the lineup looks like it's willing to fight early around a fast mek.

I only like playing WK when the opposing team is built to start fights or they are heavy in burst. Like this game, I had last pick and we needed a safe laner. SB, Tiny, BH are going to be starting **** the whole game, so having a hero that can absorb all of that abuse and then still be able to put out damage afterwards is really effective. When you have to initiate as WK though, it's ****ing awful and you just end up pulling out your hair while you get kited around.

Jugg is probably the easiest melee carry in the game to play, so you can't go wrong there.

PA is usually trash if you don't have good supports, which you're never going to at your MMR.

Weaver requires too much finesse until you get huge, imo. If you want to split push and counter dives or go to fights that your team starts, just pick spectre.

The new ehome is on fire. They're 19-3 do far. The real test is playing the western teams though (and fnatic).

What is this world I'm living in when I get 37 assists as dazzle? Thanks valve for the kda bump on healing heroes.

Great advancement for gaming. Next stop, building translate.google.com functionality, so that I could tell our captain to stop autopicking bans please.

Agree on the Necro comment. He needs entirely too much farm to be played as a true support.

Venge can stomp low mmr games in the same sense that any hero CAN do it, but some are much better than others. Venge has a range problem, and no escape aside from her stun. She's not built to manfight. There's a reason she's used as a support 99% of the time. If you augment her ultimate with an aghs to give you better mobility, that's just less money you're spending on killing power. Ditto for force/blink. Unlike some other carry heroes where that's a viable use of money, her skills won't make up the difference.

Venge as one of your support choices is solid though because if it becomes clear that your team is total trash, you can transition into deso/bfly/manta, etc and just try to carry with an agi hero with a solid stun. If your team is useful, Venge is great.

I don't write Bounty off as an agi hero. He can build agi items and just go around 2-shotting everyone, or you can do the cute Dagon build. And again, because the list is about stomping your way up from 600mmr, BH is a great option.

How about....

Meepo might be the ultimate low level pub stomper. You can be level 25 while everyone else is level 12, but I feel like the people who are good enough to do it with Meepo would never be in a position to play a 600mmr game to begin with.

The MMR floor for someone who would be capable of truly destroying with Meepo is probably 4k.

so LC just won after being 31.8k networth behind ATN

jesus lord have mercy that has to be top 3 of all time easily

Carry players or axe players:

How do you deal with an offlane axe as a melee safelaner? It's not the first time I've gotten wrecked in lane by one, but it's a matchup I still can't figure out.

Also, a lesson learned in the same game:

Don't build diffusal against shadow demon unless you really have to.

lol ye shadow demon is a pretty big counter to AM

i played both a lot of melee carries and a lot of offlane axe myself.

Some heroes just cant deal with axe at all.

Some you can try backstabbing them when away from creep waves.

Basically what you need is a strong ranged support (or two) to harass him from the getgo and not let him getting a regen ring or fast tranqs, etc.


Some melees can deal with him with a few tricks.

slark you wanna level your passive to at least level 2 or even 3 if he stays in lane, and try to fight him away from creeps.

Once you've stolen like 4-5+ stats axe starts getting really weak and you start hitting hard even on axe, obv.

PA spam dagger with basilius/aquila first item, heroes like spectre youre just ****ed, lul.

But basically you usually want a trilane that keeps stomping on him because axes usually have to overextend to get value out of thier heroes cause you need creeps to hit you obv.

So supports flanking him from behind will usually get him killed a ****load unless he starts backing off.

If he gets a fast vanguard, youve already failed and youre ****ed except GOOD NEWS axe is like the worst hero of this patch and he'll probly be worthless later in the game.

Yeah, we still won even though he had tranqs + blink at like 9:00. But I hate getting clowned on in lane, especially after he gave up first blood to me while still level one.

I was trying to drag his creeps around the wave to get better positioning, but it just got me in ****ty spots to get called since I have the worst mechanics of all time. Getting a trilane or even one good harassing support seems... ambitious in these days of the iron talon. In the game I ended up with a solo support disruptor who didn't get thunderstrike until level 4, which really limited anything we could do I guess.

disruptor is total food early on for axe

What MMR do you play at, roughly?

Haven't played much ranked recently, but solo MMR is around 3.8k

lmao about to play a 5drop v 5drop in low pri, new meta imo

5drop? Is that a 5stack?

I guess LP isn't that bad if you're playing as 5?