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03-30-2016 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Regret$
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2257068207

This game is a pretty good example of what happens. Me and jugg both go full-dondo yesterday for the funnest loss I have had playing dota. It was really a 1+4v1+4 game. I tried so hard. F wish my team did anything.

10 min mark you have the highest CS in the game at 20, in a trilane against a solo weaver.

You spend a lot of time just sort of sitting there waiting for the Weaver to come suicide into you. He doesn't though, so literally dozens of last hits are missed without any real payoff otherwise.

At 10:30 you guys lose 3 heroes trying to dive Weaver at the T1, but nobody has any dust or sentries. Tinker scores the cleanup kills after the enemy T1 does most of the work.

You smoke into Rosh at 11:30 standing in full view of likely enemy ward locations.

At 15 minutes the highest CS count in the game is 27. You've only managed to kill 4 creeps in the past 5 minutes.

You bought a Vlads even though you have no other right click heroes on your team. A HOTD into Satanic later on would've been the correct play. In fact, I can tell already you're going to be running into a major team damage issue if this thing goes on too long.

At 21 mins you bought a Void Stone because of... mana issues I assume? Sheepstick? You are still rocking brown boots.

At 25 mins you are up to 40 cs, but the Void Stone I thought would become a Sheep is being turned into a Battlefury =/ On Ursa...

30 mins. No BKB in sight. Still brown boots and you're being kited like crazy. Less than 60 cs.

Your kill count means you're at the top of the net worth chart, but that went into a Battlefury and finally some BoTs. Countless opportunities are being missed because you're an Ursa and can't actually catch anything.

Here comes a BKB, yay!

39 mins you spend almost a full minute dancing with the Weaver while a huge creep wave gets murdered by their T2 and the Weaver beetles. If you kill the tower with your team, you take rax here. But you eventually kill the clueless Weaver, so great success?

~44 mins the solo blink on to a Juggernaut right next to their base. You obviously die instantly to Omnislash. Curiously, your BKB has only been used once so far and was definitely available. Omni being physical, that probably doesn't matter. Remember when that Voidstone could've been a sheepstick? Because of your suicide there, your team loses mid rax and both T4s.

Lots of aimless wandering around (but not really farming) until 50 mins when you wander solo into their very dark jungle and I expect you to die and instantly lose the game. Thankfully, Radiant is too busy being afk in their base.

52 minutes, your base is being pushed because half of radiant has BoTs, and you chase the Weaver on foot from your bottom rax all the way to the Dire top lane secret shop. Nobody has any dust/sentries. Weaver of course survives. Thankfully, Jugg doesn't kill all your buildings while you guys are chasing that Weaver.

Between then and the rest of the game, you spend the entire time running around with 30% life (dropped your lifesteal for the Aegis a long time ago, but never bothered to send Chicken for it) and even scoring a couple of kills while the rest of your buildings die.

You used BKB 3 times in the 20 minutes you owned it.

This is actually precisely what I imagine 600 MMR dota to be like.

Now this is not to say it's entirely your fault. You were in a game with a team that had no damage dealers aside from yourself, against 4 dps monsters and an Earthshaker. It's going to be an uphill battle unless you close it out early, but you didn't.

However, if your Vlads had been a Satanic and your Battlefury had been a sheepstick or even a Skadi, and you had focused a little more on objectives instead of spending ~16 cumulative minutes chasing around a Weaver without any way to see him or lock him down, you had that easily.

This is also why Ursa wasn't on my earlier list. You cannot kill what you cannot catch.

Pudge was landing hooks left and right. Lion could've gotten useful items but didn't.

Now, imagine you had been a Slark or Clinkz here instead.

Last edited by Inso0; 03-30-2016 at 12:30 AM.
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03-30-2016 , 01:57 AM
Jeez, take a chill pill.
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03-30-2016 , 10:28 AM
Did that come off as mean? I'm an old man, it was past my bedtime and I was rushing through it.

It wasn't my intent to be mean.

I was just responding to this part of his post:
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There is no strategy. It is not more fun than watching 45 minute coinflip. You can do little more than hope that the match maker does not **** you. Yes this is somewhat true at higher ratings but like play a game of 600 ****ing mmr and you will see what i mean. It is a lot harder to win than you think.
Mostly because I have played games on a low MMR account. A year or so ago, I did a couple games on my youngest son's Steam account. One was a 45-0-20ish Invoker game, and the other was a 20 minute throne on BH. Treads -> Deso -> Vlads -> Rapier IIRC? It was a hilarious stomp because people at that mmr make bad decisions and don't carry dust or sentries. They had a bootless jungle Bloodseeker in the BH game and I just snowballed out of control.

It's not nice to smurf, though.

Last edited by Inso0; 03-30-2016 at 10:35 AM.
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03-30-2016 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
You bought a Vlads even though you have no other right click heroes on your team. A HOTD into Satanic later on would've been the correct play. In fact, I can tell already you're going to be running into a major team damage issue if this thing goes on too long.
Pretty sure this is incorrect due to your last sentence. The only realistic win condition their team has is to get all roshans and have the game locked up pre-40 minutes. The value from the creeps getting vlads armor aura is way too big to sacrifice for any potential late game itemization, especially since the enemy team has little spell wave clear while being pushed into.
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03-30-2016 , 12:48 PM
The enemy team had a Tinker.

That said, you have a good point. However, he was rarely pushing with the team. So that armor aura wasn't doing much work.

The damage bonus from Vlads doesn't make a difference when it's buffing a Dark Seer, WD, Lion, and Pudge. I still would've gone Satanic to be able to manfight Juggernaut and tank up. Satanic takes Skadi off the table, but sheepstick is arguably better anyway.
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03-30-2016 , 01:12 PM
dont draft a ranged offlaner with a 5 man drow strat bros



Kreygasm
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03-30-2016 , 01:41 PM
+357 PogChamp
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03-30-2016 , 08:20 PM
It's exactly the post I wanted tbh ty. Smoke rosh 100% work upto 1500 mmr, noone buy blue ward at start. When you go bots so you make phase first?

I see what you are getting at with your list, they need to be able to carry, have strong duel, escape/durability/stun. I had played some LC earlier in patch but didn't really get her. I don't like riki much in the offlane any more, he seems to need more farm since he can't regenless unless you find a soft spot in their lineup. His safelane laning phase is bizzare and I don't like it. People flame safe riki anyway.

Last edited by Regret$; 03-30-2016 at 08:29 PM.
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03-30-2016 , 08:56 PM
I generally go BoTs as a 4th-5th "big" item unless the hero is dependent on them (Ember, PL...), and just use TP scrolls until then. Most heroes just make such good use of one of the boots upgrades in the early game that it would be silly not to do it.
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03-30-2016 , 08:58 PM
Sings new team looked awful today. That was downright embarrassing.
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03-30-2016 , 08:59 PM
r.i.p. All Pick
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03-30-2016 , 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Wondercall
Sings new team looked awful today. That was downright embarrassing.
cancel and bone7 were outright terrible
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03-30-2016 , 10:17 PM
No ranked all-pick for a few days. Hmm....
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03-31-2016 , 02:02 AM
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cancel and bone7 were outright terrible
So bad I couldn't believe it. Sing didn't actually play that bad but Jesus those two.
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03-31-2016 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Regret$
It's exactly the post I wanted tbh ty. Smoke rosh 100% work upto 1500 mmr, noone buy blue ward at start. When you go bots so you make phase first?
It's not the smoke into Rosh that was the issue, it's the fact you used the smoke in plain view of any bottom rune wards. At that point, you may as well save the 50g and just walk right in. They see you either way. Also, sentries don't detect smoked heroes.

How many missed early kills could you have gotten with the Phase Boot active? It was a rough lineup for Ursa to begin with, but if you look back, would you have paid 600g for 30+ minutes of being able to chase down escaping heroes and greatly increase your general mobility? It's a smart investment even if you ignore the fact that it adds an extra 100+ damage to your Fury Swipe burst.
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03-31-2016 , 01:24 PM
From my little bit of watching dreamleague yesterday and today. FNG has improved dramatically. Well...that or the competition VP is playing against is brutally bad.
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03-31-2016 , 01:30 PM
And I definitely jinxed him. LOL. Those last two plays were wtf.
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03-31-2016 , 01:48 PM
did you watch him play yesterday?

he was by far the worst player on VP and seems lost on the offlane role

his **** void cost me a lot of $
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03-31-2016 , 01:54 PM
Well...what I am seeing is a 4 rapier Ember.
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03-31-2016 , 02:02 PM
you know whats really dumb?

55k ember who has 3 rapiers and a linken and hasnt eaten a moonshard

someone needs to tell him

*welp he just ate one
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03-31-2016 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
It's not the smoke into Rosh that was the issue, it's the fact you used the smoke in plain view of any bottom rune wards.
Well thats a minor misplay I rarely make.

I think you are a little too hard on me about the farming. Not really cause it can't be improved, but cause I would say on average my farm is much much much better than the people I am pool with/against.

That said.. I really appreciate the rest of the feedback man. I am really not ITT just to flame/complain, i would actually like to get better and that is most of why I liveblog ITT so much. Got the Lich 6+ snowball quest on Tuesday and taking abreak from ranked for a week or so. Even rolled an omni knight set on my last wheel of stuff roll. Think I got like 3 infuses and a courier before, so glad to get a set, granted that courier I rolled is dope as **** although seems it is unfort pretty much worthless ($0.10).

Prob gonna take a deep think about hero choice this week. And when I queue again only play a pool of a few heroes unless something really wretched happens in the draft. Maybe have a mid, ~3 carries, 2 supports that I pick and spam the **** out of them.

FWIW, I spam the **** out of ursa currently and I would be very surprised if he was not one of my best heroes w/l wise. BF is a new tech for me since teammates never seem to want to end the game and will generally farm their own items so I may as well get a farm item too. Not saying the logic is right but it is something I am trying. Never thought to use sheepstick but I will give that a try and report back. Is the idea to replace basher with sheep or get both? What is hypothetical sheepstick build progression?

The lion in the replay was pretty good fwiw, but I think he was really the only other one really trying to win with me. The WD tried hard but it was really obvious he was quite noobie. He didnt know how to stack, zoned none and actually hurt my last hitting if anything. Many of the times I was not farming its cause lion/wd following me in the jungle... they were complain I'm not together then when I try to get into something, others are wandering around zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

My point is not that I could not have theoretically won the game somehow, but that it is not reasonable to expect a player that is slightly higher rated than me (read my true rating or w/e) to be able to carry that hard. Every game feels this way in queue atm, but they seem to have broken the language #hiddenmatching so hopefully that will help some.

Last edited by Regret$; 03-31-2016 at 06:59 PM.
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03-31-2016 , 06:53 PM
has any videogame had a structured season of any type with set teams? or do they all just do this random YOLO stuff where teams are constantly in flux and there are major tournaments every so often? hardly seems conducive to long-term success/cross-over appeal.
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03-31-2016 , 10:57 PM
This random draft **** is bringing out the worst ****ing scumbag peruvian players the game has to offer. Fifth pick Omniknights who demand mid vs OD's, last pick Tiny's demanding mid and going 0-12 etc...... I look at these ****ers profiles and they play 99% unranked. Thanks volvo for bringing these ******s in for the lulz.
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03-31-2016 , 11:05 PM
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has any videogame had a structured season of any type with set teams? or do they all just do this random YOLO stuff where teams are constantly in flux and there are major tournaments every so often? hardly seems conducive to long-term success/cross-over appeal.
how else could it be when theres 20 million dollars on the line once a year?

And it would be bull**** for new up and coming players to lock teams for a whole year.

At least now there's a trade deadline
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04-01-2016 , 12:21 AM
it just seems like its never gonna be more than a niche "sport" without some degree of structure and continuity

you could have 2 seasons in a year or something, while also keeping the tournaments
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