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10-25-2010 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by stabbyah
Hey guys! The advice i got here on my NL20 stats really helped my game and i went on to win 14bb/100 over 14k hands right after i changed my game up abit, thanks!

Now im having big trouble while taking a shot at NL50.

Here are my stats and graph, any comments are apreciated!




A few things are really concerning about your stats, even if this were NL20 actually. You cold call too much, or even limp too much. I can't tell from your stats because you haven't sorted by position. Anyway your PFR/VP$IP ratio is on the cally side rather than the raisy side and that's usually bad. It seems you really like defending from the BB a lot, so that's partly where some of this is coming from.

Overall, it seems to me like you are playing your cards and playing them in a fit or fold way pretty much. Less than 50% C-bet on flops, 4% 3-bet, calling raises regularly because I guess your cards are worth it. A W$WSF of less than 40% is really indicative of a fit or fold attitude.

As general advice, I'd say these few things:

-don't cold call unless you can say why you're cold calling ("I'll cold call suited connectors OTB here because both blinds are fish who play half their hands"). As a general rule, try to be a guy who takes control or folds. Don't take this to stupid extremes of course, nothing wrong with flatting 77 for instance. This is particularly important when in the blinds, and particularly the small blind. Many say the small blind is where you 3-bet or fold and while that's not ALWAYS true, it's extremely true.

-c-bet more ... right now you're pretty much c-betting if you have a piece of it and that's it. Go through the process of comparing the board to possible holdings for your opponent and bet those flops they likely missed.

-start thinking about 3-betting. Don't start doing it like a maniac or anything, but start thinking about restealing from the blinds, which opponents to do it to. Start pondering what 3-bets can do when you have position, which range to do it with etc.

The overall theme would be that playing your own cards properly, odds, favorable/unfavorable boards etc is good. You've probably become decent at that although even level 1 poker has lots of subtleties even for advanced players, but now you need to start playing your opponents and their cards more. This is particularly true for other regs. They will push you off your hand when they can narrow it down pretty well. If you aren't doing the same, you're going to get owned pretty brutally.

edit: look at your non-showdown for each seat (by using main filters). If it isn't positive except for blinds something's really wrong usually. If nothing's wrong there, then you're really bleeding money in the blinds too much that you're not making up for when you have position and/or initiative in other hands. Hope all that helps.

Last edited by schism; 10-25-2010 at 11:39 AM. Reason: red line
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10-25-2010 , 11:37 AM



here is some details from a seriously bad 80,000 hands. Would love to hear opinions on what you guys think?

and here's for the positions,




I also have a different graph from when i started playing again after a two month break, ill post it if ya think it would be of intresst

Last edited by FindNameHere; 10-25-2010 at 11:51 AM.
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10-25-2010 , 11:42 AM
Here are my positions stats wich i forgot to add, thanks for the reply schism! It's in great detail and i appreciate it!

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10-25-2010 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by stabbyah
Here are my positions stats wich i forgot to add, thanks for the reply schism! It's in great detail and i appreciate it!


Hey you're welcome! Ok looking at these, it seems your leak in terms of PFR/VP$IP is definitely in the blinds. You should never open complete your sb as I'm guessing you are. Either steal from bb or fold. A lot of players will almost raise ATC vs your complete and sort of own you postflop just by having position and initiative, which tend to be far more important than cards. Also just looking at blinds overall, you play a very passive game there mostly calling raises rather than 3-betting. In the bb you're doing barely 15% better than if you never called a raise or never won postflop (which would be 100bb/100 loss obviously).

I think the rest of what I said further up still holds true in general, but this allowed us to see you're most definitely bleeding a lot of money particularly from the bb. So aside from the other things that were said, try to work on your blind play and definitely call less. When you do call, try to pull some moves once in a while. Check-raise bluff some boards, donkbet some boards to protect a hand that's probably best but will be hard to play etc. It's hard to give specific advice but try to go over those blind hands and ask yourself if you should be there in the first place, could you have attempted a resteal and once you're there, what could you do postflop?
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10-25-2010 , 12:22 PM
Thanks for the reply again! I guess i wasnt attempting enough light 3bets at nl50 (my 3bet got up to 7 on NL20). Players here seem abit crazyer and more prone to play back at you, and that kinda holds me back. Maybe im just leveling myself.
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10-25-2010 , 01:02 PM
Hi guys,

Looking for some advice on my first ~11k hands at rush 6max. I'm a long term winning mid stakes MTT'er with zero cash experience.

Any advice is appreciated.

Giraffe



Stats



Thanks.
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10-25-2010 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by stabbyah
Thanks for the reply again! I guess i wasnt attempting enough light 3bets at nl50 (my 3bet got up to 7 on NL20). Players here seem abit crazyer and more prone to play back at you, and that kinda holds me back. Maybe im just leveling myself.

About 3-bets, you can find a couple of videos called srooney3 DB review in two parts that are pretty good on the matter of BTN vs blinds ranges and were done at 50NL actually. I think they're linked on here somewhere.

Sure players at NL50 are well aware of the whole blinds vs steals dynamic so you can't just 3bet like a monkey thinking they'll always fold or fold to your c-bet, but you're probably also leveling yourself in part.
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10-25-2010 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by schism
What's your PFR from SB in unopened pot? At these stakes you should be able to have a substantial winrate in this spot with a pretty high frequency, supposing you don't steal from the 40 VPIP guy who floats every flop.
Also you have to c-bet quite a bit to make this profitable. I'd say 70%+ c-bet from sb when stealing from bb is probably sort of necessary. Remember overall, your steal doesn't need all that much success to be profitable. After all you get a little discount on stealing with half a bb already out there. You just need to be careful you don't spew oop to fish in this spot. Steal mercilessly from nits though.
Why do people want to steal from SB so relentlessly? I see this all the time at the tables. Like raise 1st from the button is something like 30-40% and then from the SB it is something like 50-70%. And I don't think people are THAT bad at these stakes, that you can get away with it. When im at BB im doing anything but folding when im against that kind of player.

Please correct me if I am wrong in some of my assumptions and sb is the new button or something.
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10-25-2010 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Kletterer
Why do people want to steal from SB so relentlessly? I see this all the time at the tables. Like raise 1st from the button is something like 30-40% and then from the SB it is something like 50-70%. And I don't think people are THAT bad at these stakes, that you can get away with it. When im at BB im doing anything but folding when im against that kind of player.

Please correct me if I am wrong in some of my assumptions and sb is the new button or something.
You're right. The BB actually has a significant advantage over SB because it's IP. Actually trying to be aggressive from SB against a good player is not only difficult but probably stupid. It's just that very many players play their BB extremely weak, so as long as they do it's correct to abuse that.

The point is, as long as BB lets themself be exploitable, then exploit. It's a big habit of mine too to call or 3-bet very frequently against abusive SB players when I'm in BB and I think anyone should be doing that. Anyway, overplaying SB vs a competent BB is definitely spew and I never meant to say people should be doing that. I'll choose BTN raise rather than SB raise any day of the week, position vs 2 players is far better than not position heads up. That just differs somewhat depending on villains.

lol@ sb being the new button There are really people who PFR higher from SB than button? That's pretty ******ed. I'd never suggest something that gruesome.
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10-25-2010 , 02:20 PM
Stealing 70% from SB can be very +EV if you do it in right spots. 90% of regs are just not adjusting in micros. Here's an example of 70% ATS on SB, just STFU! unless you have higher winrate on SB than this guy ofc.

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/...eralstats2.jpg
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10-25-2010 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AlmostFamous
Stealing 70% from SB can be very +EV if you do it in right spots. 90% of regs are just not adjusting in micros. Here's an example of 70% ATS on SB, just STFU! unless you have higher winrate on SB than this guy ofc.

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/...eralstats2.jpg
Well as I said, if people are weak enough sure. I just can't believe the average field is that weak o_O gg!
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10-25-2010 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FindNameHere



here is some details from a seriously bad 80,000 hands. Would love to hear opinions on what you guys think?

and here's for the positions,




I also have a different graph from when i started playing again after a two month break, ill post it if ya think it would be of intresst


Could anyone have a look at these for me please???? Im really curious to see what you's think ?
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10-25-2010 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by schism
Well as I said, if people are weak enough sure. I just can't believe the average field is that weak o_O gg!
most uNL regs are masstabling next durrr, preselecting fold button when they are on BB
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10-25-2010 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by zepher06
Hi guys,

Looking for some advice on my first ~11k hands at rush 6max. I'm a long term winning mid stakes MTT'er with zero cash experience.

Any advice is appreciated.
Ummm...Play lots of hands, move to higher limit.

Seriously hard to find anything to critique on those stats You seriously claim you have zero cash experience? I sure would avoid you like plague if we played same levels/tables :P (edit: on closer look we do play on same level. Hopefully on different site :P) I would have thought it would take atleast bit adjusting from tournament enviroment to cash game but seems like you have fitted straight in.

About only "leak" I could spot is your turn cbet which is pretty low. Do you check fold turns a lot? Seems like you would be prime candinate to float steal with about ATC if you don't fight back. Turn and river(turn particulary) aggression could do bit of upping.

Last edited by tneva82; 10-25-2010 at 02:36 PM.
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10-25-2010 , 02:35 PM
Just quickly checked some of the regs stats that i see daily and it is really puzzling how much they are stealing from sb
For example:
raise 1st btn/raise 1st sb
34/60
40/50
34/56
30/50
33/44
25/40
19/35
41/44

It makes me really wonder if im missing myself something obvious
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10-25-2010 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Kletterer
Just quickly checked some of the regs stats that i see daily and it is really puzzling how much they are stealing from sb
Only one opponent to face + cheaper price for steal as well + not respecting importance of position as much + weak BB's who allow you to steal at will.
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10-25-2010 , 02:49 PM
Hey there 2p2ers,
Last 30k hands im in trouble with playing @ break even. Does stats show that i should add some aggression? Im thinking that my game is little bit too passive, but not sure with that.
NL20 6max
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10-25-2010 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tneva82
Only one opponent to face + cheaper price for steal as well + not respecting importance of position as much + weak BB's who allow you to steal at will.
This.

If villain in BB is not adjusting to you, it's very +EV.

if you steal a lot from SB, your standard open size should be 3bb. so you risk 2.5bb to win 1.5bb = villain needs to fold about 62% of the time to breakeven. average reg folds 80%<. you get the idea.
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10-25-2010 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrlogi
Hey there 2p2ers,
Last 30k hands im in trouble with playing @ break even. Does stats show that i should add some aggression? Im thinking that my game is little bit too passive, but not sure with that.
NL20 6max
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10-25-2010 , 03:05 PM
Wtf man, yeh, Im not a big poster and just spectating most of the time, but if im not allowed to do that, thanks for the help.
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10-25-2010 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by tneva82
Ummm...Play lots of hands, move to higher limit.

Seriously hard to find anything to critique on those stats You seriously claim you have zero cash experience? I sure would avoid you like plague if we played same levels/tables :P (edit: on closer look we do play on same level. Hopefully on different site :P) I would have thought it would take atleast bit adjusting from tournament enviroment to cash game but seems like you have fitted straight in.

About only "leak" I could spot is your turn cbet which is pretty low. Do you check fold turns a lot? Seems like you would be prime candinate to float steal with about ATC if you don't fight back. Turn and river(turn particulary) aggression could do bit of upping.
Cash experience so far is basically non existant. I've played less than 20k hands total probably. I beat $75 and under MTT's pretty consistently but would like to get adept at cash.

Thanks for the feedback.

I think double barrelling is definitely something I could do more. Thoughts on my opening and 3bet numbers?

This is Rush on Full Tilt fwiw but i'll be playing euro sites most likely in the long run.
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10-25-2010 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by zepher06
I think double barrelling is definitely something I could do more. Thoughts on my opening and 3bet numbers?
vpip and pfr are pretty standard. 3bet is definetely on the looser side though if games on tilt rush are anywhere similar as they were on stars that's actually pretty decent number. Worked fine for me on pokerstars when I was running around 7% 3bet(now on ongame 3betting has become lot less appealing as players are lot worse callstations).
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10-25-2010 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrlogi
Wtf man, yeh, Im not a big poster and just spectating most of the time, but if im not allowed to do that, thanks for the help.
just joking, I'm bored.

You call 3bets way too much, vs3betcall of 47% is usually a very big leak, run filters in hem and see how you are doing. You 4bet only KK and AA, which is very exploitable, you won't get paid off on higher limits by playing like that ... you probably call 3bets with AK OOP, which sucks, you are much better off 4betting and calling a shove, or folding to 3b if 3bettor has tight 3betting range. Same for QQ.
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10-25-2010 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AlmostFamous
just joking, I'm bored.

You call 3bets way too much, vs3betcall of 47% is usually a very big leak, run filters in hem and see how you are doing. You 4bet only KK and AA, which is very exploitable, you won't get paid off on higher limits by playing like that ... you probably call 3bets with AK OOP, which sucks, you are much better off 4betting and calling a shove, or folding to 3b if 3bettor has tight 3betting range. Same for QQ.


But what to think about steal 31%, should it be around 40?
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10-25-2010 , 04:29 PM
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But what to think about steal 31%, should it be around 40?
31% would be fine, 35% is standard I believe. Yours is 27%, you should open wider when there are two regs in the blinds and you are BU. I open any two suited in that spot, but if you are not comfortable, 27% is fine. It's not a leak, you are just missing +EV spots.

Just try to improve stuff I mentioned in my previous post. That's huge leak you have. You don't understand the power of AK. When you see some reg SoF preflop with AK, you probably think smth like ''oh, he's so bad'', right?
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