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11-02-2015 , 08:57 AM
888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 133.2 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.28, PFR: 17.76, 3Bet Preflop: 5.61, Hands: 1,570)
UTG: 48.5 BB (VPIP: 57.69, PFR: 38.46, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 27)
MP: 167.5 BB (VPIP: 21.42, PFR: 15.52, 3Bet Preflop: 4.69, Hands: 1,637)
CO: 65.7 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 26)
BTN: 207 BB (VPIP: 20.93, PFR: 10.79, 3Bet Preflop: 4.61, Hands: 1,635)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3 A

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) T J A
Hero checks, BB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Turn: (14 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BB bets 10.2 BB, Hero calls 10.2 BB

River: (34.4 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BB bets 24.2 BB, Hero calls 24.2 BB

So villain is a reg. Likes to stab when checked to BvsB (then again, don't we all, since it's usually insanely profitable?).

All draws missed other than backdoor clubs. If I'm betting AT and above for value OTF, it means I've got a few 2 pair combos (A5/A4), but we're going to have to fold a lot of pair+draw Jx and Tx here, so are we OK to call this?
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11-02-2015 , 09:56 AM
intresting hand.I also check sometimes this type of hand vs some opponents.
What is your range of checkcall flop?
What is your range of checkcall turn?

without this info i can tell you that checkcall river is bad here , you should checkfold.But this is highly exploitable.And this is not nice if A3 is one of the best hand in your range here.

So I say its very opponentdepending play(sry bad english)
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11-02-2015 , 10:37 AM
This is actally a good rivercard for V to continue barreling missed hands like 89d, 78d, etc. Although I am not realy sure if players are capable of playing these hands this way at this limit...
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11-02-2015 , 11:44 AM
River call is not going to go well for you.
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11-02-2015 , 11:54 AM
If we don't call river here when do we call river, though? Just A4/A5?

If we check top pair otf aren't we basically having to call it down on decent runouts like this?
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11-02-2015 , 12:07 PM
We don't have to call down at 10nl just because top pair.
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11-02-2015 , 12:14 PM
I agree with folding the A3, but what about stuff like A9 or A8?
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11-02-2015 , 12:15 PM
Well I'm check-calling 2 streets with KJ/QJ/KT/QT. Don't we overfold a ton if we chuck this? A4 and A5 are only 18 combos.
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11-02-2015 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue-chip-tuna
I agree with folding the A3, but what about stuff like A9 or A8?
Calling A9 is worse than A3 IMO because it blocks the 98 draw.
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11-02-2015 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by grinder4all
Calling A9 is worse than A3 IMO because it blocks the 98 draw.
+1 very good
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11-02-2015 , 12:45 PM
It is profitable I agree to stab flop which is why these 3 barrels can be air out of desperation, not too mention all the missed semi bluffs. To me your line looks so much like a weak ace but that's probably cos I've been caught a lot in this spot by a weak ace... I just never fire 3 here now but obv villain can and should cos you can have some stuff that will fold like JQ, and maybe a, er, weak ace... Overall I think folding river is best, whether it's actually exploitable I don't know, most players are not calling twice to fold the river here so whoever is 3 barreling is most often just spewing off imo.

Interesting stuff about A3 and A9, yes A9 blocks some straight draws but there are tons of draw combos, and also A9 beats some value hands ie. A6,A7 and A8 that might just fire 3 here.

In fact, what exactly is villain repping value wise? TT,JJ,AJ I expect he is going to 3bet a significant amount of the time, AK and AQ more so, so he has perhaps AT-A2 a lot here which makes A9 a better call down imo. But also implies we should call with all Ax perhaps
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11-02-2015 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by grinder4all
Well I'm check-calling 2 streets with KJ/QJ/KT/QT. Don't we overfold a ton if we chuck this? A4 and A5 are only 18 combos.
I just think on this stakes after he call your raise and bet bet , his range is strong.Try to bet flop and check turn.I think this will increase his bluff frequency.
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11-02-2015 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tomj
Interesting stuff about A3 and A9, yes A9 blocks some straight draws but there are tons of draw combos, and also A9 beats some value hands ie. A6,A7 and A8 that might just fire 3 here.
+1 also very good
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11-02-2015 , 02:05 PM
Unless V folds to steals a ton I'm folding pre here. Playing this hand OOP with that hand against a decent player is a very marginal situation. As played, folding river.
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11-02-2015 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by E Mo
Unless V folds to steals a ton I'm folding pre here. Playing this hand OOP with that hand against a decent player is a very marginal situation. As played, folding river.
agreed! We should only raise JJ+
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11-02-2015 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by E Mo
Unless V folds to steals a ton I'm folding pre here. Playing this hand OOP with that hand against a decent player is a very marginal situation. As played, folding river.
I'd agree with an offsuit rag ace, they just don't play well (boo hoo) but this is too good to fold imo
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11-02-2015 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tomj
I'd agree with an offsuit rag ace, they just don't play well (boo hoo) but this is too good to fold imo
Small suited aces are drawing hands and bluff catchers that want to be IP and preferably multiway. The last thing we want here is a big pot when we've missed the flush and wheel. In position, such as if the SB had raised to us we can call here and then check back this flop and have a bluff catcher. However we can't do that OOP so our only hope is the miracle 2 pair, flush, or wheel. For these reasons if BB is defending with any regularity, I'm folding pre.
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11-02-2015 , 07:14 PM
I'm trying to be charitable and think of a reason to ever open fold any Ax when folded to you in the SB, but I honestly can't right now.

This is the easiest, most standard open in poker.

If he barrels off all of his KdXd/QxdXd, random other gutters and stuff then we can probably get to a call down. But people don't tend to 3-barrel a whole lot when you've obviously got showdown value, and we can have some flushes and two pairs here, and we don't chop with anything but A2/A3. So I think just stationing off is going to be a leak against most regs unless you have some reads to go on - which you should after 1500 hands.
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11-02-2015 , 07:23 PM
I don't even fold offsuit rag aces in the SB when it's folded round to me...is that a leak?
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11-02-2015 , 07:24 PM
Hell no.
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11-02-2015 , 07:48 PM
Does villain 3-bet KQ/AJ/1010 pre in these spots vs. Hero?
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11-02-2015 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by grinder4all
I don't even fold offsuit rag aces in the SB when it's folded round to me...is that a leak?
Opening any AX hand in SB is good.
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11-02-2015 , 07:55 PM
You have a lot of hands on him, do you have a ballpark on barrel percentages for each street? You said he likes to stab, how often is he continuing?
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11-02-2015 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Does villain 3-bet KQ/AJ/1010 pre in these spots vs. Hero?
I've seen him flat all those hands against my BTN min opens, so probably not. Admittedly it's a slightly different situation but I open significantly wider on BTN than I do SB.
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11-02-2015 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by grinder4all
I've seen him flat all those hands against my BTN min opens, so probably not. Admittedly it's a slightly different situation but I open significantly wider on BTN than I do SB.
pry jus folding turn then, seems like a nit
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