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10-29-2016 , 12:53 PM
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Only have a few hands on villain so no real reads. Often feel pretty clueless in spots like this...


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CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BTN: 105.16 BB (VPIP: 41.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 12)
Hero (SB): 120.44 BB
BB: 100.2 BB (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 19.12, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 69)
UTG: 158.16 BB (VPIP: 24.44, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
MP: 104.04 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 12)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9 9

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, BTN calls 7 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) T 5 A
Hero checks, BTN bets 9.96 BB, Hero calls 9.96 BB

Turn: (40.92 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (40.92 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN bets 25.92 BB, Hero ?
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10-29-2016 , 01:18 PM
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Fold, its so hard to people turn some kind of hand in bluff, i've lost a lot to this line bet,check,bet cuz i tought i have to pay, and villain always have Ax
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10-29-2016 , 01:29 PM
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I dont see a point of 3betting 99?
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10-29-2016 , 01:35 PM
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I dont see a point of 3betting 99?
value
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10-29-2016 , 01:52 PM
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value
Against what hands?
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10-29-2016 , 01:56 PM
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Against what hands?
22-TT,AJo-AQo,A2s-AQs,K9s-KQs,Q9s-QJs,J9s-JTs,65s-T9s. We can add some suited gappers too like 97s.
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10-29-2016 , 02:15 PM
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Mehh...Maybe you are right .Just dont see many ppl call that wide and what we do when he 4 bet?I guess shove?
Yes there are some hands that 99 beat preflop,but what we do post.I dont see 99 win a lot of 3 bet pot unless we hit a set or it goes c/c/c or maybe we can get one street of value most.
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10-29-2016 , 02:42 PM
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Flop call is terribleeeee. XF instead.

Even if he has KQ he has amazing equity vs your hand.
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10-29-2016 , 02:43 PM
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I guess shove?
no...
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10-29-2016 , 03:19 PM
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Mehh...Maybe you are right .Just dont see many ppl call that wide and what we do when he 4 bet?I guess shove?
Yes there are some hands that 99 beat preflop,but what we do post.I dont see 99 win a lot of 3 bet pot unless we hit a set or it goes c/c/c or maybe we can get one street of value most.
i do see a point linear 3bet, probably dont have a calling range btxsb
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10-29-2016 , 03:26 PM
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no...
Fold?
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10-29-2016 , 04:57 PM
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Fold?
Vs an unknown, yes. Definitely not enough 4 betting to get this in profitably for value.

You can go either way pre (3 bet or call). Depends on your image, BB and Button.
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10-29-2016 , 06:33 PM
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pre is a very standard 3b like always. 3b is going to be more profitable than a call

flop x/f pry ok vs. population

bet/check/bet line is OP
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10-29-2016 , 07:25 PM
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Flop X/C is terrible for me, what is you plan for other streets?
I prefer to X/C at this point hands like QsJs than 99
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10-30-2016 , 10:34 PM
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Fold, especially without the ace of heart on the board
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10-31-2016 , 12:16 AM
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3bet for value vs BTN's wide opening range.

x/f flop

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10-31-2016 , 12:23 AM
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You mean his calling range.
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10-31-2016 , 12:28 AM
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Fold on the flop...
No Bet then you would have been Bet into.
Same porblem. Check/Fold
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10-31-2016 , 11:46 AM
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3B for value is too thin. We will most likely have an equity edge if we get flatted, but it will be small and very difficult to realize due to position not to mention ~ 1/3 of the deck will be a scare card.

Getting 4B is equally problematic.

Coldcalling is the most efficient use of 99's equity as I see it. While 3B could theoretically be the highest EV play, there's so many difficult PoF decisions and if OP is CC an AT5 2tone flop then 3B is definitely not the move.
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10-31-2016 , 12:08 PM
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bet/check/bet line is OP
what does this mean?
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10-31-2016 , 01:08 PM
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what does this mean?
op = overpowered. bet/check/bet lines (esp oop) are generally top pair + hands and rarely bluffs.
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10-31-2016 , 11:59 PM
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We will most likely have an equity edge if we get flatted, but it will be small and very difficult to realize due to position not to mention ~ 1/3 of the deck will be a scare card.

Getting 4B is equally problematic.
This shouldn't be much of an issue if your postflop skill is adequate. I would think at least the top 5% of hands should generally be a 3bet vs. BTN's wide range.

If we get 4bet we probably fold, since it's incredibly rare that we're going to be 4bet bluffed outside of some established dynamic.

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and if OP is CC an AT5 2tone flop then 3B is definitely not the move.
+1 tho
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11-01-2016 , 01:20 PM
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Lots of good advice here, thanks all. Seems like it really should be a fold on the flop if I am going to 3 bet pre.
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11-01-2016 , 01:43 PM
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BB is not a squeezer so i just call to set mine

Hero calls 9.96 BB> spew. Just turn ur hand into a bluff and bet, or just check fold

''Only have a few hands on villain so no real reads.'' > gotta have a read to try to take it away on a later street to do this call.

GLGL
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11-01-2016 , 04:01 PM
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B/f flop or x/f flop... calling sucks because it's tough to get to showdown, you basically never improve, and your equity isn't great even if he's (semi)bluffing.

Don't really have a strong opinion on pre. I guess I prefer 3betting since villain will definitely call with worse, and people tend to play more straightforwardly in 3b pots so it'll be easier to realize your equity if you flop something like 2nd pair, and a cbet will still take it down on a lot of flops.
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