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07-17-2020 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by suave-wizard
It's bad to play suited broadway OOP when we're dominated so often (oppo has a tighter PFR). We never know where we stand when we hit TP and we don't make straight/flush that often. I understand aggression, but it's better applied IP.

Honest question, aren't our 3B % a little bit on the high side?
Everything is better applied IP. But we have to play OOP, that's part of the game.

As far as preflop - it's a high frequency 3bet if not 100% at the micros.
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07-17-2020 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
We aren't facing a x/r. We cbet and get raised.
Yeah, even more nutted. Just fold everything. Maybe a couple people are spazzing vs. your small sizings and you might get exploited by them, but overall just overfolding this spot is very good. Poker very easy if people only raise the nuts. Just bet/fold very aggressively
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07-17-2020 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Yeah, even more nutted. Just fold everything. Maybe a couple people are spazzing vs. your small sizings and you might get exploited by them, but overall just overfolding this spot is very good. Poker very easy if people only raise the nuts. Just bet/fold very aggressively
I agree. I said in my first post that making an exploitative fold isn't terrible. I still think a call is okay as well just given our backdoor equity.
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07-17-2020 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Yeah, even more nutted. Just fold everything. Maybe a couple people are spazzing vs. your small sizings and you might get exploited by them, but overall just overfolding this spot is very good. Poker very easy if people only raise the nuts. Just bet/fold very aggressively
I think the hardest part about poker is mindset and dealing with variance.

High stakes regs are not only super talented but they are also mentally strong AF.
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07-17-2020 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
I think the hardest part about poker is mindset and dealing with variance.

High stakes regs are not only super talented but they are also mentally strong AF.
+1

I would already be at 100nl if my mental game was just a bit stronger.
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07-17-2020 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by suave-wizard
It's bad to play suited broadway OOP when we're dominated so often (oppo has a tighter PFR). We never know where we stand when we hit TP and we don't make straight/flush that often. I understand aggression, but it's better applied IP.

Honest question, aren't our 3B % a little bit on the high side?
I am not saying that I include jqs in my 3b range, I am still working on it. But I think it is a good candidate and has good E realization. After all if we 3b only our best combos, doesn't our range become very transparent?
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07-17-2020 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
I think the hardest part about poker is mindset and dealing with variance.
as a fairly decent convert to online poker (corona lockdown), compared to live games dealing with variance is absolutely crushing. toughest thing to adapt to by far. You have to accept being battered and bruised repeatedly in a short space of time which simply cant happen playing live
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07-17-2020 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
I've played around 200k hands at 10nl blitz on ACR and I'd say they under bluff in this spot.

This is just one example:

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem 0.10(BB)
BTN ($12.15) [VPIP: 19.3% | PFR: 16.6% | AGG: 39.1% | Hands: 1392]
SB ($13.83) [VPIP: 23.8% | PFR: 21.7% | AGG: 46.7% | Hands: 1241]
HERO ($16.96) [VPIP: 24.6% | PFR: 21.5% | AGG: 34.8% | Flop Agg: 40.7% | Turn Agg: 27.8% | River Agg: 31.5% | 3-Bet: 10.9% | Fold to 3-Bet: 55.2% | 4-Bet: 16.5% | Hands: 276287]
UTG ($11.37) [VPIP: 17.6% | PFR: 16.2% | AGG: 41.7% | Hands: 70]
HJ ($10.20) [VPIP: 21.4% | PFR: 17.3% | AGG: 36.5% | Flop Agg: 42% | Turn Agg: 37.5% | River Agg: 22.7% | 3-Bet: 9% | 4-Bet: 9.1% | Hands: 408]
CO ($13.10) [VPIP: 24% | PFR: 22.2% | AGG: 32.1% | Hands: 281]

Dealt to Hero: Q J

UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.28, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Raises To $1.24, HJ Calls $0.96

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.54 effective]
Flop ($2.53): Q 8 3
HERO Bets $0.83 (Rem. Stack: $14.89), HJ Raises To $2.92 (Rem. Stack: $6.04), HERO Calls $2.09 (Rem. Stack: $12.80)

Turn ($8.37): Q 8 3 T
HERO Checks, HJ Bets $4.18 (Rem. Stack: $1.86), HERO Calls $4.18 (Rem. Stack: $8.62)

River ($16.73): Q 8 3 T 8
HERO Checks, HJ Bets $1.86 (allin), HERO Calls $1.86 (Rem. Stack: $6.76)

Spoiler:

HJ shows: A A

HJ wins: $19.43
so? i could give countless example of them spazzing
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07-17-2020 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Ojune
so? i could give countless example of them spazzing
I'm down to see some 10nl examples of regs spazzing in similar spots to this
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07-17-2020 , 05:56 PM
I looked at my database where I either raised pre/3-bet, cbet on the flop, was raised and didn't fold.

In the majority of those hands, villain was raising with a strong hand. Not always a hand better than mine, but I didn't see many spazzes.
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07-17-2020 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
I'm down to see some 10nl examples of regs spazzing in similar spots to this
honestly I can't be bother, I need to play tons to get the 500$ reward
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07-17-2020 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Ojune
honestly I can't be bother, I need to play tons to get the 500$ reward
Not to be a dick but there is no benefit for anyone if you make a claim that no one agrees with and can't back it up with hand histories.

gl with the rake race
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07-17-2020 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
I think the hardest part about poker is mindset and dealing with variance.

High stakes regs are not only super talented but they are also mentally strong AF.
Yeah, I definitely agree.

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Not to be a dick but there is no benefit for anyone if you make a claim that no one agrees with and can't back it up with hand histories.

gl with the rake race
I think it's completely fine. It's an internet forum, if he doesn't want to back it up with evidence its whatever, but his opinion is still valued.

I think people can and do spazz and/or bluff raise in this situation, but they are in minority. Also, of those players I'd hazard the guess that the majority of the hands utilized to bluff-raise with are hands like KJss/JTs/T9s and of these examples KJss is blocked, JTs and T9s probably check turn (back to what I said about giving up with bluffs on turns/rivers), and after that you really do only have the super spazz left over with people having **** like A5o here and barrelling, but usually those players are quickly identifiable and the adjustments come quick and easy for Hero. So in the absence of information I'm very content with bet-folding a very wide range because we are exploiting the average population quite well by doing this.
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07-18-2020 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by suave-wizard
It's bad to play suited broadway OOP when we're dominated so often (oppo has a tighter PFR). We never know where we stand when we hit TP and we don't make straight/flush that often. I understand aggression, but it's better applied IP.

Honest question, aren't our 3B % a little bit on the high side?
Sorry, but what are you talking about? QJs is the most standard 3bet here as there is.

As for the hand, I call the flop raise, but don't hate a fold for all the reasons given in the thread.
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