gimme my 6 minutes back

1 seat per person imo, so never will one person have the entire lobby. And you don't even need to cut the # of tables by that much, but it's just ridiculous as is.

Fair enough, it's very possible this is true.

Agree with this also, everyone feels entitled to their preferred system when really there is no moral/ethical backing to their opinion. Good regs who dont table select much feel they've worked hard and deserve better access to poor players, bumhunters feel the system should be open and free...etc but really I just think most people choose their preferred system based on their own self interest and then attempt to justify it with these arguments after the fact.

How is this any different from the HU only bumhunters who won't play any droolers? Why should the guys who play other games be barred from bumhunting like everyone else does? I mean I know it ****s the games over but I dont see how it is any different from the guys who only bumhunt HU.

let's skip the pretense of us actually caring about what makes the sites more money.

if you feel the best regs are entitled to more action, you probably think KOTH is the correct structure.
if you feel all regs should have equal share of the action, you probably think the current structure is best.

the few additional hands played and the etiquette cluster**** are negligible imo and cancel eachother out anyway

I think KOTH is a good idea because right now the lobbies are just ridiculous, and if I was a recreational player, I would definitely be asking myself why all these guys arent playing eachother and at the very least would make me think twice before sitting, if not discourage me completely from playing HU.

But the argument that people who are an avg 400nl reg dont deserve to sit at 2knl under the current rules is just completely irrational from an independent perspective imo

looks like republican vs democratic POV tbh

wat

It's so tough to work out a solution. Everyone wants the solution that best helps them earn money.

For me personally if im at $5/10hu and theres 100 open tables then theres probably about 20 people who couldn't beat a reg at 10NL that simply shouldn't be there. About 30 people who are worse than me but not by a huge amount. About 30 of similar skill and about 20 who are better. (all just rough guesses but you get the picture)

Now for me i'd like a way to get rid of the 50 people i think are worse than me and leave the other people as they are. Thats because my sense of entitlement is that my skill level should be the minium required to earn money at $5/10.

This is naturally how everyone thinks. Imagine Jungleman. It must annoy him that anytime a fish is playing $5kNL+ on any site that it's not vs him because he can beat everyone.

What about 6 max though. If a fish sits at $50/100NL 6 max it's going to fill fast. Should there be some requirement that only people who have played x amount of hands at that limit can sit? Then of course the fish can't sit in the 1st place.

Or live games where its all secret handshake stuff to get in a good game.

I'm not actually trying to make a point here im sort of thinking out loud. I think there is problem with HU and its only going to get worse but i cant think of a good solution.

Maybe those words don't mean what I think they do, but one side favors a system where equity is distributed more equally among all the peoples and one system favors those who "deserve"/earn more getting a bigger share.

Sorry, not great on politics, but this is what I meant.

Yes and I certainly do the same as I said in my previous post(s). In the end "bumhunting" is really a relative thing because there's some people I am not interested in playing and that would define a certain amount of "table selection". I think the feeling of entitlement/etc comes from seeing so many people who table select way too much compared to what I personally believe to be a "reasonable" amount of selection.

Like you said, all thoughts really based on selfishness even if it's not on purpose.

In the end though, selfishness aside, I still like KOTH because it still allows regs to bumhunt if they choose to, but they will have to work on their game to do so. What is really wrong with this? It rewards skill and in a game of skill I don't see why this can ever be bad. It's not penalizing anyone because people should be good at a game of skill to make more money with it.

you could argue saying people that deserve it should get money is more a left-wing point of view and the laissez faire laissez passer of keeping the current system is more right-wing, even if the outcomes seem too say otherwise

relatively new to hu, but filled out your survey

i'd like to see heads up rush with a smaller rake as a trade off for the increased volume and strength of the games. I'm sure that would get regs playing each other, but there will still be players that opt not to play it

Don't mean to derail thread, but chessterfish, who is your avatar?

yeah i would also play way more regs if rake was lowered. On sites with $1 cap rake NL200 isnt worth it imo and NL400 your winnings take a fair hit vs regs unless you are just destroying

u cant prevent people to table select, its just ******ed cause that will no longer be called a "cash game". by definition in a cash game u can step in/out if and whenever u want.
so u cant prevent bad players to sit and wait for even worse players either.
randomizing tables is the best and the only true solution for equal amount of action between players.

also why would sites do wat a minority of regs wants (ie KOTH) when everyother reg doesnt want it? dont tell me the ratio its not like 10%pro-90%con lol

if u wanna get insta action and/or play regs then play husng imo

edit: we should all just accept the games/action are getting worse and basically theres nothing we can do

That's why people like HUSnGs I guess. You can't sit out.

this pretty much. just made a rambly post in the HSNL forum saying basically this.

be great if stars just changed all there HU tables to Euro or £ denomination with the $ being so weak atm, just a thought

+1.

All this happening at the moment is a consequence of the current economic crisis. In the end, whatever you do to get more action is not going to help because regs are not going to have an infinite amount of money available to play you unless there are lots of recreational players to fill their losses.

The fact that you see 200+ tables with no action is not directly related to the fact that bumhunters bumhunt more and more, but to the fact that there is no influx of money so players have to move on multiple sites and spawn multiple tables.

Perhaps it's time to consider 6max.

Promote more high hand volume HU challenges, as incentive slash the rake for these and allow a sidebet.

One problem of the current system is that with 100 open tables on every stake if you feel like trying to get a game vs a reg you have to take agesss going through every table and often get grimmed or they play 30hands and change their mind etc. This just makes it so that even though some days you feel like challenging yourself you just cant be bothered with all the effort of trying to find a game.

Also everyone feels differently on each day. Some days i'll want to play nearly anyone and otherdays i'll want to just wait and bumhunt while i watch a movie. Everyone has reasons for this such as downswings or tiredness etc

Now a solution for this would be to have an option such as 'will play anyone' ticked when you sit down. If you have it ticked you appear a different colour in the hu lobby.

Now though u might get fish being more inclined to play the people in a different colour because it catchs their eye. Equally some fish might be more inclined to play the people in the normal colour because they think this means they have a better chance of winning.

So to stop this happening make it so you need to accumulate x amount of ffps/vpps/points/medals/rake or whatever the site uses to see the different colours. Then to recreational fish they dont realise anything has changed but to people who play decent volume they can easily see who wants to play and get games.

Tons or programming and stuff needed though and probably some flaws in it anyway so i doubt it would ever happen.

one obvious flaw is that i'm only a goldstar on stars, as most fish are

i have began just starting 6max tables on Stars, playing till they fill up then leaving. I never wait long before i get action - usually from fish

I'm sound a bit ******ed but... what is KOTH structure?

Btw, what about some kind of volume race? Let's say ... you obtain the privilege to sit first only if you are one of 10 players that have played most on that week

I think this is an original idea, and it could help with ppl who get tired of sitting with ppl who won't play. Not sure it would help with fish though as they'll pick up on it and just sit with the people who won't play regs.. if they're smart.

KOTH is basically having a limited # of tables spawn + the inability to sit out and keeping your table. So if you won't play regs who sit you, you lose your table(s). Party has something like this going on but just for 5/10 and 10/20. From my experience, this and anon tables, do help a lot in getting/seeking action. I don't understand why they won't do it at 3/6 and below..

And I thought about volume races before or even having standings of the "top regs" or something similar, but it would be very complicated and with no guarantee that it changes the games at all.. IMO. In any case the prize pools would have to be pretty big for most ppl to just suddenly reg hunt all the time. According to the survey about 43% of ppl won't play regs because of the variance, and i doubt races would change this.