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11-23-2008 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by oliman
Typing this reference into search doesn't bring up the right article. How do I find it?
Post 489 ITT (In This Thread) coming up...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=489

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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
yes.

what makes you think it doesn't count as a steal?
Because I kept an eye on the "Att Steal Blinds". It was 18/97 both before and after this hand.
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11-23-2008 , 04:49 PM
pele, the hand likely hadn't been loaded into HEM/PT yet. The stats aren't in real time and the hands are loaded in bunches, for most, in 1 minute intervals.
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11-23-2008 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy Pipkin
These are all of my hands at NL5 6max. Just looking for ways in which I can improve my winrate, because I'm pretty sure I should be getting more than 6.75ptbb/100 at nl5. I usually play 6 to 8 tables, maybe this has something to do with the fairly low winrate? Looks like I'm also losing way to much in non-showdown pots.



Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Andy you're probably better off posting your graphs in the 6max forum. Here's the thread.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...-redux-232833/

Mpethy wrote an excellent piece on improving your NSD winnings here.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=489
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11-24-2008 , 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Rusty Nails
pele, the hand likely hadn't been loaded into HEM/PT yet. The stats aren't in real time and the hands are loaded in bunches, for most, in 1 minute intervals.
That was not the case because I could see the hand in PT, but the stats for "Stealing" did not get updated. BTW it happened again last night, think there might be some problem when it imports the hands. Will not pay to much attention to the numbers. At least I know I'm a bit higher on the "Steal" procentage than shown in PT
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11-24-2008 , 06:23 AM
I just started playing cash games and there are obviously several holes in my game please help




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11-24-2008 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Zampono
I just started playing cash games and there are obviously several holes in my game please help

What I've learned from this thread myself is the following (mpethy feel free to correct me ):

Play more hands in LP and throw away the speculative ones in EP, MP
Stop Cold Calling so much in EP. Cut it down in LP, raise or fold instead.
Raise more in position from BTN, CO and HJ

You might find the soon to be famous post 489 interesting to read:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=489

You could also check out Pokey's and Dan Bitel’s advice on blind stealing.

Would be interesting to see your "Agg" numbers for Flop, turn and river.
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11-24-2008 , 02:00 PM
Zampono 2 things jump out from your stats:

1) You need to learn about position and how important it is in NL. Your stats show almost no change from EP to LP. Your UTG VPIP should be roughly 1/3 of your Button VPIP. Hands played in position win more often because you can steal more pots when checked to, lose less money when they lose (because you have better control of teh betting and can check behind) and win more money when they win (for the same reason)

2) Your PFR raising stats are too low. General rule of thumb is a pfr/vpip ~ 2/3, as a min.. That is, 2/3 of the time you are entering preflop you are raising. If you want to limp/cold call you should have a good reason for doing so. Here's a good article from the stickies that's relevent.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...iative-139320/

Also if you want to keep your screenname secret, it's usually a good idea to black out the player index on the left.
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11-24-2008 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by pele02
That was not the case because I could see the hand in PT, but the stats for "Stealing" did not get updated. BTW it happened again last night, think there might be some problem when it imports the hands. Will not pay to much attention to the numbers. At least I know I'm a bit higher on the "Steal" procentage than shown in PT
If this really concerns you, you ought to fire a question at the PT3 folks in their forum.

There are bound to be some mistakes in such complex software; if you have found one, they would be happy to know about it.

The hand you posted was a clear steal--maybe Rusty is right and you missed it loading, maybe there is a flaw in the program. I don't know, but the folks at PT3 will.
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11-24-2008 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Rusty Nails
Zampono 2 things jump out from your stats:

1) You need to learn about position and how important it is in NL. Your stats show almost no change from EP to LP. Your UTG VPIP should be roughly 1/3 of your Button VPIP. Hands played in position win more often because you can steal more pots when checked to, lose less money when they lose (because you have better control of teh betting and can check behind) and win more money when they win (for the same reason)

2) Your PFR raising stats are too low. General rule of thumb is a pfr/vpip ~ 2/3, as a min.. That is, 2/3 of the time you are entering preflop you are raising. If you want to limp/cold call you should have a good reason for doing so. Here's a good article from the stickies that's relevent.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...iative-139320/

Also if you want to keep your screenname secret, it's usually a good idea to black out the player index on the left.
+1

also, your button win rate is far too low. This is usually a post-flop leak, so you will need to look at the hands you have played OTB and try to determine what the problem is. Check to make sure you are not c-betting bad boards to c bet and that you are c-betting good ones. Check your double barrel frequency and success rates.

also, based on your red line it looks like you are leaking from the SB (this stat was cut off from your position stats).
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11-24-2008 , 04:14 PM
Rusty and pele have reminded me of something I have been wanting to say ITT for a while--If you have posted your stats here, you would probably derive a lot of benefit from popping back in and analyzing stats for other posters who post after you.

Contrary to what people have taken to saying, this is not my thread. I, for one, would love to see other people who are good at stat analysis posting more in this thread.
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11-24-2008 , 05:23 PM
hey all,

i have a pretty general question about graphs. in a 100k hand span what is considered typical running normal at 100nl fullring? +/- how many buyins all in equity. i want to see if im just super sucking or just running bad. analyzing if i should consider dropping down.

and at that level should i expect to always be below equity conisder the types of hands that show up.
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11-24-2008 , 09:57 PM
Booger I don't understand your question. Are you talking about the allin EV graphs?
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11-24-2008 , 10:13 PM
ya im talkin about allin ev. like for the lower donkish levels liek 50 and 100 is there a norm to describe what is running good wat is running bad.

i figure the donks play such horrible crap consistently that the norm is not 0. its like down some amount in ev and u still call that a good month because its expected ur playin these types of players.
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11-24-2008 , 11:53 PM
thanks for advice guys at least. Im glad im fixing these leaks while I am still in the positive =) im about to purge my PT database and start fresh and ill post the new stats after I log another like 10k hands and then compare to past stats.
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11-25-2008 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Zampono
thanks for advice guys at least. Im glad im fixing these leaks while I am still in the positive =) im about to purge my PT database and start fresh and ill post the new stats after I log another like 10k hands and then compare to past stats.
noooooooooooooooo

don't purge. start a new one or just filter so it only shows hands from this date forward or something; there is no reason to actually get rid of hands.
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11-25-2008 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
noooooooooooooooo

don't purge. start a new one or just filter so it only shows hands from this date forward or something; there is no reason to actually get rid of hands.
o well too late I already did it =p I didnt know I could start a new log im still learning how pokertracker works im only like a week into my trial
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11-25-2008 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Zampono
o well too late I already did it =p I didnt know I could start a new log im still learning how pokertracker works im only like a week into my trial
all that lovely data disappearing makes me
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11-25-2008 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
all that lovely data disappearing makes me
i will just have to collect more data. I still have those pics saved on my comp to compare to. I should have asked if it was a good idea first lol. o well

I hit a nice hand in like my 20th hand since purging my DB ill figure out how to post hand then ill post it here in a min
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11-25-2008 , 01:43 AM
PokerStars Game #22343434906: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/11/25 0:37:12 ET
Table 'Zelima' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: lonniescrugs ($16.85 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($10.15 in chips)
Seat 3: tariko13 ($16 in chips)
Seat 4: wesperx ($5.65 in chips)
Seat 5: xan 00 ($2.40 in chips)
Seat 7: chopshop187 ($9.65 in chips)
Seat 9: shellmen ($13.60 in chips)
lonniescrugs: posts small blind $0.05
Hero: posts big blind $0.10
bemmmi85: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qd Qs]
tariko13: folds
wesperx: folds
xan 00: folds
chopshop187: folds
shellmen: raises $0.40 to $0.50
lonniescrugs: folds
Hero: raises $1 to $1.50
shellmen: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [6s 9s 5c]
Hero: bets $1.50
shellmen: raises $1.50 to $3
Hero: raises $5.65 to $8.65 and is all-in
shellmen: calls $5.65
*** TURN *** [6s 9s 5c] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [6s 9s 5c Jc] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Qd Qs] (a pair of Queens)
shellmen: mucks hand
Hero collected $19.35 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $20.35 | Rake $1
Board [6s 9s 5c Jc 4d]
Seat 1: lonniescrugs (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Hero (big blind) showed [Qd Qs] and won ($19.35) with a pair of Queens
Seat 3: tariko13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: wesperx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: xan 00 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: chopshop187 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: shellmen (button) mucked [9d Kh]
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11-25-2008 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by booger369
ya im talkin about allin ev. like for the lower donkish levels liek 50 and 100 is there a norm to describe what is running good wat is running bad.

i figure the donks play such horrible crap consistently that the norm is not 0. its like down some amount in ev and u still call that a good month because its expected ur playin these types of players.
I'm not that knowlegable about EV calculations so I may be wrong but it seems to me that over a large sample your EV graph should be 0. If you have AA and get it allin preflop against KK you have 80% EV. When you win you're EV graph will be slightly positive because you were only expected to win 80% of the pot. If you lose your EV graph will show a 80% hit. Over a large sample the wins and losses should balance out to 0 regardless of the holdings you are up against.
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11-25-2008 , 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Rusty and pele have reminded me of something I have been wanting to say ITT for a while--If you have posted your stats here, you would probably derive a lot of benefit from popping back in and analyzing stats for other posters who post after you.

Contrary to what people have taken to saying, this is not my thread. I, for one, would love to see other people who are good at stat analysis posting more in this thread.
Trying to analyse other peoples stats and graphs is helping me a lot. Learning how different players (TAG's vs LAG's etc) act at the tables is truly valuable as well

Example:
In Last nights session I had a known TAG two seats to my right. Every time he was in CO or BTN he raised if folded to him, standard TAG style of play. I then began to take advantage of that by sometimes re-raising with any average hand from SB and BB. In 80 hands or so I re-raised him six times and he folded every time .

I could probably have done it some more, but I thought that if I did it to much he'd start playing back.
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11-25-2008 , 12:44 PM
thanks alot rusty. i really needed that. im new to the ev stuff and didnt kno if its normal to expect to run a lil bad as a typical. needed to asssess the reasons im losing and whether i should move down or not. thumbs up!
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11-25-2008 , 03:10 PM
I'm an ssnl 6 max player who is trying out fr this month as my only game. In my 21k hand sample this month I have one stat that seems to be bad, my WTSD% which is 27% (my W$SD% is 53.5). Any tips for bringing that down a few points?
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11-25-2008 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by GtrHtr
I'm an ssnl 6 max player who is trying out fr this month as my only game. In my 21k hand sample this month I have one stat that seems to be bad, my WTSD% which is 27% (my W$SD% is 53.5). Any tips for bringing that down a few points?
I wouldn't say that's bad, that's pretty damn good .
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11-25-2008 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GtrHtr
I'm an ssnl 6 max player who is trying out fr this month as my only game. In my 21k hand sample this month I have one stat that seems to be bad, my WTSD% which is 27% (my W$SD% is 53.5). Any tips for bringing that down a few points?
are you pot controlling TPTK+ by checking the turn?
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