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02-14-2014 , 10:10 PM

mr_wiggles

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Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 85

Villain is 27/22 over 96 hands

Merge, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #23596191

MP: $11.72 (293 bb)
CO: $2.98 (74.5 bb)
BTN: $4 (100 bb)
Hero (SB): $18.38 (459.5 bb)
BB: $7.19 (179.8 bb)
UTG: $15.57 (389.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7

UTG raises to $0.12, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.10, BB folds

Flop: ($0.28) A

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.16, UTG calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.60) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.44, UTG calls $0.44

River: ($1.48) 9

(2 players)
Hero?

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So I'm thinking this is probably a bet on the river, but I would like to hear arguments for check calling too if anyone thinks that is the better play. Is this a b/c or a b/f otherwise? I can't seem to put villain on anything other than AJ but that might just be my tunnel vision kicking in.

halp?

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02-14-2014 , 10:39 PM

Prophetability

centurion

Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 104

ok, I hate the call pre, but both of you are very deep stacked so whatever, you're getting the implied odds if you hit..

Why are you donking the flop? Turn is fine but by the river there are so many complete draws that you are likely behind, you want to see a showdown now cheaply as your set has some value. I'll be c/c or c/f folding.

Villain has got a whole lot more than just AJ in his range, but as played folding is correct.

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02-14-2014 , 11:48 PM

Csaba

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I'd X/R the flop. The Ace hits his perceived UTG range so he should cbet it even if he doesn't have an Ace. If I was going to donk I'd make it much larger. You have a strong hand so you want to extract as much value as possible.

I'm not sure about the river. AQ is definitely in his range but I don't think there's that many other Queens there and he shouldn't have a 6 by this stage in the hand. I might be tempted to put out a small blocker bet then fold to any raise.

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02-15-2014 , 12:10 AM

prahsk87

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Originally Posted by Prophetability

You'd consider folding 77 to a single raise 300bb+ deep?? Or do you think it's better to 3bet?

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02-15-2014 , 12:14 AM

Brokenstars

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Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 16,408

Think we should 3bet most of our range this deep, especially pp's and sc
Should x/r the flop pretty big
bet turn big
x/c otr probably is what I'd do as played, had you bet/raised more we can elimate almost all j and 6

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02-15-2014 , 12:29 AM

Csaba

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Originally Posted by Csaba

I'm not sure about the river. AQ is definitely in his range but I don't think there's that many other Queens there and he shouldn't have a 6 by this stage in the hand. I might be tempted to put out a small blocker bet then fold to any raise.

This should say AJ is in his range

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02-15-2014 , 12:31 AM

Soulwaxical

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Originally Posted by Prophetability

ok, I hate the call pre, but both of you are very deep stacked so whatever, you're getting the implied odds if you hit..

Seems like your suggesting we fold here which would be terrible. Im calling even 100bb deep nevermind 300.

Call>3bet>>>Fold

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02-15-2014 , 01:46 AM

ForeverLearning

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Bigger on the flop if you're gonna donk. Check/raise is likely better.

Check/fold river.

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02-15-2014 , 03:23 AM

rakeme

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Originally Posted by Prophetability

ok, I hate the call pre, but both of you are very deep stacked so whatever, you're getting the implied odds if you hit..

Why are you donking the flop? Turn is fine but by the river there are so many complete draws that you are likely behind, you want to see a showdown now cheaply as your set has some value. I'll be c/c or c/f folding.

Villain has got a whole lot more than just AJ in his range, but as played folding is correct.

You should be calling pre 100bb's deep as well.

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02-15-2014 , 05:43 AM

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3nat3

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Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 13

Never folding pre, x/r flop because I think he's likely to cbet with the A on the board. As played either x/f or x/c river, I think I'm calling a reasonable bet

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02-15-2014 , 06:05 AM

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Telrunya

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So no one's bet/folding this river? Several two pair possibilities out there which could pay off at least a small-ish bet ($0.8-$0.9?). Jacks or sixes don't seem too likely, but if we face a raise, we're probably beat.

Last edited by Telrunya; 02-15-2014 at 06:10 AM.

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02-15-2014 , 06:38 AM

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JP9562

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I would have check raised the flop

I would have checked the river with a view to calling a bet even with the board so wet I am going to find it hard to fold a set

Villian is just as likely to have a 2 pair hand as a jack and I don't see him having a 6 (possibly 66 but surely not to the river on that board)

Good luck at the tables

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02-15-2014 , 08:45 AM

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gamma001

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XR flop and Xf riv

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02-15-2014 , 09:12 AM

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Vilhelms

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Originally Posted by ForeverLearning

Bigger on the flop if you're gonna donk. Check/raise is likely better.

Check/fold river.

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