Too much fighting itt. Pf both completing and raising for value are right, it depends by limpers and the BB. If you raise and are mway pick up your spots to cbet carefully.

Getting it in as a 45% dog when you have almost no fold equity is a leak at every stake. Do YOU see why?

Oh, and 45% is the best case scenario.

just because a play is +EV doesnt mean its the most +EV play... im never 3 betting the flop in this spot... im just calling the raise and calling the turn

also i wouldnt isolate in this spot very often (and if i do isolate i dont isolate so ******edly small)

Yes, trying to semi-bluff a fish who just minraised you is just a great way to get it in bad.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, overestimating your opposition is one of the biggest leaks you can have at the micros. The only person you're going to outlevel is yourself.

i raise this pre, but i wouldn't raise QTs, so i wouldnt consider it a real big deal either way. flop on the other hand, i think calling the minraise is much better than 3betting. we already beat bluffs with our Q.

No I dont see why, because I dont see how 45% is the best case scenario.... But sorry I lolled at your post, I just think its weird you talk about a huge leak while making such a borderline statement. Yes, offcourse its bad to relentlessly shove your draws, but thats bad at any stake.

And I still think you miss alot of value by not raising pre. Yeah, we are OOP but im sure you can get it HU an ok amount of the time if you raise big enough. Everytime we flop toppair we can go for 3 streets of value and on dry boards we can cbet because such wide ranges often miss.


That is a good point, but in case he's bluffing, do you expect villain to stop on the turn alot? And we are never calling the river when we miss right?

I seem to have trouble understanding this because you all seem to disagree:

Arn't we cutting our equity in half by just calling and then calling the turn if he bets? I mean, yeah we can get it in against better hands and some stuff that even has us crushed, but with only one card to see our equity is 30ish% against toppair and worse against sets. What is exactly the advantage of calling? We've got at least some fold equity against a guy that has a 48% agg freq right? Shouldnt there be some air in there? And it also seems hard to bluffcatch 3 streets with sec pair so isnt it ok to diminish that?

The fact that he calls with toppair and sometimes even with some weird **** like bottompair or even draws when we raise is added value right? Do you dissagree with those calling ranges from a 66/5/2 with that high of a aggression frequency? Again, im used to get it in here against any K and even draws (and offcourse some monsters). But even against a K we are a favorite (except for KJ I guess), and from this type of player I also see some spazz/folds every now and then. But maybe im just lucky and is my range assumption completely biased by variance...

call flop

3betting flop isnt bad, I just think flatting raise is slightly better since lolpotodds

call turn