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11-08-2009 , 11:46 PM
aggo you precede your posts with that too much
11-08-2009 , 11:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gateswi

also 66/100 on my 1st statistics midterm on the hardest chapter in the class

beat
I'm thinking of taking Statistics next semester. Is it really that hard? Or did you just not study?
11-09-2009 , 12:13 AM


Quote:
Originally Posted by martin9_90
susan coffey
You are good sir, very good.

edit: reposted picture bc, jesus christ...
11-09-2009 , 12:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gateswi
aggo you precede your posts with that too much
games are dead
11-09-2009 , 12:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aggo
games are dead
Lol, I actually like aggo's BBV posts. Most of them are brags instead of beats, which are more fun to look at. It's more interesting to see what types of crazy hands fish stack off with then it is to see a compilation of all your day's standard bad beats.
11-09-2009 , 12:25 AM
statistics isn't that bad

the resident statistics professor at oregon state for ST314 (Stats for engineers) is bad
11-09-2009 , 12:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmx
Lol, I actually like aggo's BBV posts. Most of them are brags instead of beats, which are more fun to look at. It's more interesting to see what types of crazy hands fish stack off with then it is to see a compilation of all your day's standard bad beats.
I hate posting beats because most beats damage psyche
decent weekend




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BTN: $224.90
Hero (SB): $464.90
BB: $477.00
CO: $400.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is SB with Q K
2 folds, Hero raises to $12, BB raises to $20, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($40.00) 9 3 K (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $40, Hero calls $40

Turn: ($120.00) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $120, Hero calls $120

River: ($360.00) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $184, Hero raises to $284.90 all in, BB calls $100.90

Final Pot: $929.80
Hero shows Q K (three of a kind, Kings)
BB shows K J (a full house, Kings full of Jacks)
BB wins $927.80
(Rake: $2.00)
11-09-2009 , 12:39 AM
aggo is it bad that I don't understand why you shoved that river

Seems kind of obv to me that villain is a donk but still... do we really think KT is in his range? Or is this guy doing this with QQ+ too?
11-09-2009 , 12:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gateswi
aggo is it bad that I don't understand why you shoved that river

Seems kind of obv to me that villain is a donk but still... do we really think KT is in his range?
yeah I kinda regretted shoving river after he called

but tbh, hes not folding 22+,Jx,9x etc etc. there
11-09-2009 , 12:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aggo
yeah I kinda regretted shoving river after he called

but tbh, hes not folding 22+,Jx,9x etc etc. there
2 things.

1. Was still wondering about that hand where you had 75s and flopped 2pr when deep. What was reason for flatting flop raise as opposed to 3b/calling?

2. Another post you made, combined with my (near)freeroll into a FTOPs cash has inspired to fork over the cash for a uNL coach. Any suggestions?
11-09-2009 , 12:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by skraper
2 things.

1. Was still wondering about that hand where you had 75s and flopped 2pr when deep. What was reason for flatting flop raise as opposed to 3b/calling?

2. Another post you made, combined with my (near)freeroll into a FTOPs cash has inspired to fork over the cash for a uNL coach. Any suggestions?
1.Mostly to increase my equity and a little bit of balance, and the 0.1% chance he has ATC and wont call a shove

2. I wouldnt pay anyone to coach me at 50nl who hasnt shown me a 100k samplesize of 100nl@ 3.5ptbb or 6ptbb at 50nl (if they 4-6 table)

and i think im being generous there. Otherwise you'd just be wasting money for information/experience/skill/talent that could easily be found elsewhere
11-09-2009 , 01:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aggo
2. I wouldnt pay anyone to coach me at 50nl who hasnt shown me a 100k samplesize of 100nl@ 3.5ptbb or 6ptbb at 50nl (if they 4-6 table)

and i think im being generous there. Otherwise you'd just be wasting money for information/experience/skill/talent that could easily be found elsewhere
So no suggestions in particular, just questions I should ask before commiting money.


Also, I am still glad I did the SSing thing because it really forced me to sit down and do some complex(to me anyway) EV calcs that I have never bothered to/felt the need to do before. Poker math is actually fun and a lot of what I did has some direct correlation to fullstack play.
11-09-2009 , 01:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gateswi
statistics isn't that bad

the resident statistics professor at oregon state for ST314 (Stats for engineers) is bad
lol good answer
11-09-2009 , 01:28 AM
CO is unknown, BTN is standard 22/17 mehgular looking TAG

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($51.25)
Hero ($81.65)
UTG ($97.50)
CO ($49.20)
BTN ($56.10)

Dealt to Hero K Q

fold, CO raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, fold, Hero calls $1

FLOP ($4.75) J 3 T

Hero checks, CO bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50, Hero raises to $8.50, CO folds, BTN raises to $21, Hero raises to $80.15 (AI), BTN calls $33.60 (AI)


Pretty comitted after c/r. c/r is ok? what about PF?
11-09-2009 , 01:31 AM
I get a feeling 3-betting pre is better than flatting there, I could be wrong

When BTN backraises that flop I'm pretty sure you are boned, stove yourself against top of his range JJ/TT/33/JTs and I think you're like 30% or worse

Did it for you, I think flop is a fold even after we c/r. We have no FE with a shove. I think flop c/r is fine, although I don't hate just c/c

Board: Js 3c Th
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.751% 28.75% 00.00% 3131 0.00 { KsQs }
Hand 1: 71.249% 71.25% 00.00% 7759 0.00 { JJ-TT, 33, JTs }
11-09-2009 , 01:34 AM
Fold to the 3bet. He has a set.
11-09-2009 , 01:41 AM
Yeah agree with the above. You aren't committed with the c/r but he most definitely is when he makes it $21. He's not folding to a shove here. His betsizing is very polarizing.
11-09-2009 , 01:46 AM
Yea, for some reason, at the time I was thinking I was getting better odds on my shove

I had 2 sweaters at this point and all 3 of us were talking about the hand as it was happening so that prob had something to do with me not looking at the numbers right


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11-09-2009 , 03:15 AM
This might be a really dumb question, but say we squeeze from the BB vs. CO who opened 3xBB and BTN who called. Is our 3b going to be:

- 3.5 x CO's open
- or do we (3.5 x CO's open) + CO's open since BTN called?

What I'm asking is, should our 3b/4b be static no matter how many people call, because I was under the impression that we treated 3b generally the same as open raises.
11-09-2009 , 03:15 AM
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CO: $203.00
BTN: $121.13
SB: $104.50
Hero (BB): $100.78
UTG: $144.33
MP: $77.93

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 4 5
2 folds, CO raises to $2.50, BTN calls $2.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($8.00) 8 8 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $6, BTN folds, Hero raises to $15, CO calls $9

Turn: ($38.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $25


is the turn follow up fine here or is it spew? i was planning on shoving the river for $58 or w.e it is if i was flatted on the turn, as i'd expect him to 3bet the flop or raise the turn with an 8 here. any thoughts?
11-09-2009 , 03:19 AM
If he calls the turn do not shove the river. I think you fold out 99+/T9/65 on the turn (if he is folding overpairs) but never a 7, if he flats the turn than I doubt he's ever folding the river

tbh I'd be surprised if he folds the turn w/ overpairs. You can have plenty of 8x probably but you wouldn't c/r a 7 and 77 is down to 1 combo so you are polarized to 8x/bluffs and if he has an overpair and bet/calls this flop its probably because he thinks you can do this with air
11-09-2009 , 03:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ_Northstar
This might be a really dumb question, but say we squeeze from the BB vs. CO who opened 3xBB and BTN who called. Is our 3b going to be:

- 3.5 x CO's open
- or do we (3.5 x CO's open) + CO's open since BTN called?

What I'm asking is, should our 3b/4b be static no matter how many people call, because I was under the impression that we treated 3b generally the same as open raises.
tbh I am not sure what is standard here, but I tend to 3b roughly 3.5x + 1bb per caller. But I will vary my 3b sizes far more than I vary my opens.
11-09-2009 , 03:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gateswi
If he calls the turn do not shove the river. I think you fold out 99+/T9/65 on the turn (if he is folding overpairs) but never a 7, if he flats the turn than I doubt he's ever folding the river
im not entirely sure i agree here tbh, i can see particularly JJ+ getting stubborn here and calling the turn but folding to a 3rd street of aggression purely because that flop seems perfect for c/r bluffing, but i see what you're saying, i mean i'd probably fold TT+ here but i'm not sure that's a generic thing.

also lol @ this hand....


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CO: $370.31
BTN: $56.28
SB: $154.51
Hero (BB): $101.50
UTG: $125.28

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with Q J
1 fold, CO raises to $3, BTN calls $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($9.50) 9 3 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($9.50) T (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $6, BTN calls $6, Hero raises to $17, CO calls $11, BTN folds

River: ($49.50) K (2 players)
Hero bets $32, CO raises to $107.62, Hero calls $49.50 all in

Final Pot: $212.50
CO shows 9 9 (three of a kind, Nines)
Hero shows Q J (a straight, Nine to King)
CO wins $26.12
Hero wins $210.50


edit :
Quote:
Originally Posted by gateswi
tbh I'd be surprised if he folds the turn w/ overpairs. You can have plenty of 8x probably but you wouldn't c/r a 7 and 77 is down to 1 combo so you are polarized to 8x/bluffs and if he has an overpair and bet/calls this flop its probably because he thinks you can do this with air
ninja edit lol, and yes i think this is closer to spot on as he def. knows i can take this line with either 8/air
(Rake: $-24.12)
11-09-2009 , 04:10 AM
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