So if he lost a stack with AA and then insta sat out would we be having this conversation?

speedlimits scammed a guy for a reasonably large amount of money, 1.5k iirc, and did not pay it back. There was pretty good proof that he did indeed scam this guy (screenshots etc) and speedlimits did NOTHING forever while the thread was going on except make really half-assed excuses.

Entire BBV army made speedlimits infamous, tried to deface him and his family, the 2+2 thread was like #1 result when you searched his last name I think.

Last I checked speedlimits had finally started to make reparations

Its ethical since its no different than simply limiting the number of hands that you plan to play against someone per day. And since its perfectly fine to only play poker for 5 hands a day, it should be fine to also play with the plan to quit when you win 1 buyin. Its annoying WHEN they win, but over the long run of your hands played with hit n' runners you will fid that they will win as often as they lose, and if you have the edge then they will lose more often than they win, even if its only slightly.

Which leads to what Ive been asking all along to many people - Why would you not give any action to someone who plans to quit if they win, when you think that you are a better player than them?

1. scams some german guy
2. gets accused of it obv when german guy notices
3. tries to prove he didnt scam him by uploading some badly shopped screenshot
4. gets accused/shat on even more
5. "I didnt do it"
6. see part 4
7. see part 5.
8. finally admits to scamming and is now presumably paying him back

When I first read this I was like wait..."is reparations even a real word?
I think he means remedies"

Then I looked it up and it exists.

How Asian of me

Lol so true

It should be exactly the same if he lost.

Like I said the results of the hand are completely down to variance. Now why should variance, something completely random, dictate whether or not it is ethical to quit?

This argument boils down to semantics and how people define ethics, and I'm not saying that as a cop-out either.

Now can we please just let it die

So if I 2 table usually and ramp it up to 24 tables, I should be making 12x the $$$ right?

EZ GAME???

and tbh I never actually thought until this thread that so many seen hit n' running as unethical or douchy. Obv it annoys people and because of that they would say things like "scum bag hit n runned me", but I didn't think they actually thought the guy was scum simply for leaving a poker game when he wants, which unfortunately happens to be at a time when they did not want him to leave. If someone wants to leave when they win and that is their plan, I honestly cannot see what is wrong with that, at all.

its the same also for short stacking.

Poker Stars $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (MP): $79.05
CO: $18.55
BTN: $52.00
SB: $50.00
BB: $75.70
UTG: $89.85

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP with 3 3
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, 3 folds, BB calls $2, 1 fold

Flop: ($5.75) 4 2 7 (2 players)
BB bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75

Turn: ($13.25) A (2 players)
BB bets $9.00, Hero raises to $21, BB calls $12

River: ($55.25) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $48.45, Hero calls $48.45

hehehe this is funny
edit: he showed 9dTx
edit: sick merge braaaah

yes please

People disrespect hit-n-running because its not really playing poker, its capitalizing on short term variance

People disrespect shortstackers because its not really playing poker at all

Do these things really have anything to do with ethics? Not really, because you can't really form a moral argument against it. Poker is a selfish game at its core and trying to form a real moral argument is going to either be very thin, circular, or downright wrong.

Thats not going to change the fact that people say it is against 'Poker ethics' because the word ethics is being applied in a different sense

Ok I'm done no more

+1

o.O

This is the last I'll say on this as I hate these dick measuring contests, but I agree that any sort of hit and run is not unethical or douchey. It is your money, you can do what you want with it. If you're willing to gamble with that money you shouldn't be mad when you lose it.

I do find it annoying, but it's just how poker works. I also find runner runner gutshot straights for my opponent annoying, but I agreed to play poker and that's how it works.

ksight's long lost twin?

they are the same person (the asian person)

I don't think it does boil down to that, which is why I said that if someone put out an argument for why it is unethical, then that would be their opinion and that's it. But when someone says 1 thing is unethical, but another is not, and those things are the same, that doesn't make sense. Now still nobody has answered how hit n' running is any different to playing against someone for a set, small amount of hands.

This is how I see it - something is either unethical or it is not. Random luck should not change that. So it is either unethical to sit in and play one hand or is is not. Using the results of that hand to determine whether or not something is unethical is hilarious to me. Its like flicking a coin and saying heads its unethical, tails its not. Which is why if someone comes to my tables, gets lucky and wins a buyin then leaves, its not different to me than if they lost then left. Obviously winning over losing would cause me to be happy, but why should it change how I see the other person or how what he did was unethical or not?

Thats the simplest I can put it really. If you guys dont understand where Im coming from or you do, but disagree, then fine, I really cannot explain it any simpler. Its exactly like this example, which most of the general public just do not seem to get - if you walk up to someone in the street and punch them in the face and they a bruised, but survive, you have did nothing different WHATSOEVER than someone who did the same thing, but the victim unfortunately died. Many people would treat the criminals completely differently, yet that is totally unfair, since they both did the exact same thing, its just that sheer luck caused their crimes to have different results. Even people in my own family who I have really tired to explain this to dont get it, they still say "no the person who killed the other man should go to jail for much longer than the the other".

lol i get it

look, its jackie chan

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Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (BTN): $26.60
SB: $21.50
BB: $25.00
UTG: $14.75
MP: $22.35
CO: $25.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with 3 3
1 fold, MP raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.35) 3 9 J (2 players)
MP bets $2, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($6.35) K (2 players)
MP bets $5.50, Hero raises to $23.60 all in, MP calls $13.85 all in

River: ($45.05) T (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $45.05
Hero shows 3 3 (three of a kind, Threes)
MP shows K K (three of a kind, Kings)
MP wins $42.85
(Rake: $2.20)


I hate this month

I 100% agree with respecting the usual poker player MORE than respecting a shortstacker or hit n runner, simply for the reasons you stated. But its not more unethical and it doesn't make you any more of a dbag, its just simply a less respected strategy (if you can call it a strategy) because its easier.

lol

raise flop

Green...let it go. I think your point has been made.

Hooray for rivered over sets and a 4bi downswing!

Oh, let's also not forget the guy that called a shove on the turn against my over pair with a straight draw and binked it. weeeeeeee <3 poker

Defend your blind plz... (he spazz a lot, thats why i min4bet fwiw)



$50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $90.71
Hero (SB): $68.21
BB: $54.75
UTG: $31.82
MP: $47.75
CO: $56.45

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with A A
4 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4.50, Hero raises to $8.10, BB calls $3.60

Flop: ($16.20) 5 K 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $7.00, BB calls $7

Turn: ($30.20) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $20.00, Hero raises to $53.11, BB calls $19.65 all in

River: ($109.50) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $109.50
Hero shows A A
BB shows K 7
Hero wins $106.50
(Rake: $3.00)

does anyone get really pissed of at split pots? I think it tilts me more than losing? like when you flop a straight against some 70% vpip idiot and he has the straight also.!!! ****