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11-19-2009 , 04:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by skraper
why?
because guys with these stats who call twice on a board like this have 1 weak pair or a draw. We are slightly ahead or slightly behind so we want a fold. Taking a free card just means u better hit it cuz he wont fold river once u check back turn if he has anything.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Truancy
how much?

b/c $20ish
11-19-2009 , 04:12 AM
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

3,784 games 0.005 secs 756,800 games/sec

Board: 3c 4c 9s Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.575% 36.23% 00.34% 1371 13.00 { AsQs }
Hand 1: 63.425% 63.08% 00.34% 2387 13.00 { QQ-33, AcKc, AcQc, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, A4s-A3s, Ac2c, KcQc, KcJc, KcTc, Kc9c, Kc8c, QcJc, QcTc, Qc9c, Qc8c, JcTc, Jc9c, Jc8c, Tc9c, Tc8c, 9c8c, 8c7c, 7c6c, 65s, 54s, 43s }

I think this range is somewhat reasonable. So we are just better than a 2-1 dog against his flop calling range.

What portion of his range do we think folds turn that doesn't fold flop?
11-19-2009 , 04:38 AM
not to be rude, but that range is lol. you need to add in a ton of overcard combos, a lot more ace high and king high combos. this range is way too narrow for a fish like that. i know it looks like a huge range, but you've narrowed it down too much. or example, the 65 hand you need to include all combos, not just spaddes and you need to include all combos of A4, K4, Q4 etc, A3, K3 etc. we have a lot more equity here than you think.
11-19-2009 , 04:45 AM
skraper that range is way way off

only a shortstacker would think thats the range they were up against. its really much bigger
11-19-2009 , 05:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valleygoat
not to be rude, but that range is lol. you need to add in a ton of overcard combos, a lot more ace high and king high combos. this range is way too narrow for a fish like that. i know it looks like a huge range, but you've narrowed it down too much. or example, the 65 hand you need to include all combos, not just spaddes and you need to include all combos of A4, K4, Q4 etc, A3, K3 etc. we have a lot more equity here than you think.
56s is 56 suited

I did include all combos of A4s, I think we should heavily weight his preflop range toward suited Ax, Kx, suited gappers and pocket pairs.

If this was a single raised pot I would include all of the extra combos, but the in a 3b pot, even a fish's range narrows.

I probably could include some combos of KQo, KJo etc tho.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MDoranD
skraper that range is way way off

only a shortstacker would think thats the range they were up against. its really much bigger
You like to make useless comments instead of actually contributing. Note stack sizes in pot.

I will give you an example of how you could have made the same point without being a douche, "Skraper, your range is too narrow. I think v this player type you have to include x, y, and z."

Hope this aids your integration into non-douche society.

Last edited by skraper; 11-19-2009 at 05:28 AM.
11-19-2009 , 05:28 AM
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN/SB: $83.30
Hero (BB): $148.20

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with A J
BTN/SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $10, BTN/SB calls $7

Flop: ($20.00) Q K T (2 players)
Hero bets $14, BTN/SB raises to $73.30 all in, Hero calls $59.30

Turn: ($166.60) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($166.60) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $166.60
BTN/SB shows 3 A (a flush, Ace high)
Hero shows A J (a flush, King high)
BTN/SB wins $166.10
(Rake: $0.50)
11-19-2009 , 05:33 AM
9 one time.
11-19-2009 , 05:35 AM
Well played that man.


CAKE $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Kofe***: $21.33
geto***: $37.34
nb10***: $38.26
Hero (): $24.55
bbb5***: $21.47
piom***: $20.00

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is with Q Q
1 fold, piom*** raises to $0.60, 3 folds, Hero raises to $1.90, piom*** calls $1.30

Flop: ($3.90) 9 T 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, piom*** raises to $9, Hero raises to $22.65 all in, piom*** calls $9.10 all in

Turn: ($40.10) 8 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($40.10) K (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $40.10
Hero shows Q Q
piom*** shows J K
piom*** wins $38.10
(Rake: $2.00)
11-19-2009 , 05:43 AM
FML.

CAKE $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

nb10***: $19.67
watc***: $14.98
duns***: $10.20
Hero (): $36.21
Kiri***: $9.54
naut***: $20.56

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is with T T
Hero raises to $0.70, 1 fold, naut*** calls $0.70, nb10*** calls $0.70, watc*** calls $0.60, duns*** calls $0.50

Flop: ($3.50) 8 A T (5 players)
watc*** checks, duns*** checks, Hero bets $2.30, naut*** folds, nb10*** raises to $7, watc*** raises to $14.28 all in, duns*** folds, Hero raises to $35.51 all in, nb10*** calls $11.97 all in

Turn: ($55.72) 2 (3 players - 3 are all in)

River: ($55.72) Q (3 players - 3 are all in)

Final Pot: $55.72
nb10*** shows 6 7
watc*** shows T A
Hero shows T T
nb10*** wins $8.91
nb10*** wins $44.03
(Rake: $2.78)
11-19-2009 , 06:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wishiewish
you are never ahead and you have no FE.
so i should fold my 44% equity vs his ******o-range? and fwiw i know better than you if i have FE or not
11-19-2009 , 06:21 AM
lol euroidiots

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $342.30
Hero (BTN/SB): $691.60

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with T 4
Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 4 2 3 (2 players)
BB bets $18, Hero calls $18

Turn: ($72.00) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $40, BB raises to $80, Hero calls $40

River: ($232.00) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $86, Hero calls $86

Final Pot: $404.00
BB shows 8 Q (a pair of Twos)
Hero shows T 4 (two pair, Fours and Twos)
Hero wins $403.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Last edited by Valleygoat; 11-19-2009 at 06:45 AM.
11-19-2009 , 06:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ligic
so i should fold my 44% equity vs his ******o-range? and fwiw i know better than you if i have FE or not
you have fold equity because it's a dry flop and people love to c/r those with bluffs
11-19-2009 , 06:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valleygoat
lol euroidiots

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $342.30
Hero (BTN/SB): $691.60

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with T 4
Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 4 2 3 (2 players)
BB bets $18, Hero calls $18

Turn: ($72.00) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $40, BB raises to $80, Hero calls $40

River: ($232.00) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $86, Hero calls $86

Final Pot: $404.00
BB shows 8 Q (a pair of Twos)
Hero shows T 4 (two pair, Fours and Twos)
Hero wins $403.50
(Rake: $0.50)
lol american idiots



Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN/SB): $273.50
BB: $233.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with 4 5
Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 3 6 2 (2 players)
BB bets $26, Hero calls $26

Turn: ($88.00) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $88, Hero raises to $229.50 all in, BB calls $101 all in

River: ($466.00) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $466.00
Hero shows 4 5 (a straight, Six high)
BB shows J T (a pair of Twos)
Hero wins $465.50
(Rake: $0.50)
11-19-2009 , 06:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by skraper
BTN is a 19/14 nit
SB is 64/17 fish

I am 3betting here to isolate fish, hoping BTN folds.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($65.10)
Hero ($90.25)
UTG ($87.05)
UTG+1 ($24.30)
CO ($46.75)
BTN ($50)

Dealt to Hero A Q

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, fold, BTN raises to $2.25, SB calls $2, Hero raises to $7, fold, fold, SB calls $4.75

FLOP ($16.75) 3 4 9

SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB calls $8

TURN ($32.75) 3 4 9 T

[color=red]SB checks


Do you guys dbl barrel turn?
since you bet 1/2 pot on the flop, bet 1/2 pot on the turn here, you still have a ton of $ behind ,nut flush draw and 2 overs.

people fold to double barrels more than you think, i think this is a good spot to double barrel
11-19-2009 , 06:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valleygoat
lol american idiots



Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BTN/SB): $273.50
BB: $233.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with 4 5
Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 3 6 2 (2 players)
BB bets $26, Hero calls $26

Turn: ($88.00) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $88, Hero raises to $229.50 all in, BB calls $101 all in

River: ($466.00) 2 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $466.00
Hero shows 4 5 (a straight, Six high)
BB shows J T (a pair of Twos)
Hero wins $465.50
(Rake: $0.50)


^ lol wtf?
11-19-2009 , 07:07 AM
Off to uni, wish i could stay in a grind all day.

Also i didn't realise how fishy PS was until i came back to it
11-19-2009 , 07:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by martin9_90
Wasted
11-19-2009 , 07:34 AM
hahahahah
11-19-2009 , 08:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by absolutefish
Must be tough to make this work?

Pretty leaky I would have thought?
no they play so well. you will flop a wheel draw or flush draw quite often.
11-19-2009 , 08:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by absolutefish
^ lol wtf?
but he had jack high, standard call imo
11-19-2009 , 08:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wishiewish
hahahahah
assuming this is directed at me, stop being an arrogant douchebag dear wishie and stop thinking you know how i should play a hand when you have no idea of either gameflow or my opponent
11-19-2009 , 08:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cman24687
no they play so well. you will flop a wheel draw or flush draw quite often.
so we should call with a2s oop hoping to hit something basically?
and with your small experience you ended up hitting some flops so you think it is profitable?
11-19-2009 , 08:22 AM
Skraper what is the fish's call 3b and fold to cbet? That should give you a much better idea of his range on the turn.

Even without knowing his call 3b I'd say his range probably includes all Kx clubs and Qx clubs. If he has a high call 3b% then the range should probably include all club single and double gappers.

Last edited by Syberduh; 11-19-2009 at 08:30 AM.
11-19-2009 , 08:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wishiewish
so we should call with a2s oop hoping to hit something basically?
and with your small experience you ended up hitting some flops so you think it is profitable?
wasnt me that came up with this shthead, this was a tip from vitalmyth, someone who is far better at this game than you. or are you going to dispute that?

      
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