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03-09-2013 , 12:24 PM

#551

punter11235

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lol, srsly?
mb10 hands less/h at max

I don't know I am just guessing.
Not using RIT seems silly to me.

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Why some regs would voluntarily want to increase their variance is blowing my mind, guess they are just sick degens or run like sun all the time.

My sentiment exactly.

03-09-2013 , 12:45 PM

#552

Jever

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I heard Phil Ivey never lets it run twice. Why?

03-09-2013 , 12:49 PM

#553

wombert

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Originally Posted by mikev

Why some regs would voluntarily want to increase their variance is blowing my mind, guess they are just sick degens or run like sun all the time.

nah, if you run like the sun id run it twice every time just to make sure i suck out twice on the same guy for maximum tilt induce.

03-09-2013 , 01:27 PM

#554

Klakteuh

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Originally Posted by Jever

I heard Phil Ivey never lets it run twice. Why?

Probably something to do with the fact he likes to bet 250k$ at craps daily

03-09-2013 , 02:19 PM

#555

Ginge

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Lefort also works for a company called "Run It Once" btw so...

03-09-2013 , 03:20 PM

#556

Zrebna

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Originally Posted by Klakteuh

Zrebna it was estimated to be 1/5 to 1/3 of the Standard deviation. If RIT halves that, we're talking 1/6th to 1/10th of a decrease in std dev, which is close to the 15% figure someone just posted. I guess "quite small" is a bit of an exageration, but it's definitely not a big change imo.

If your assumptions are correct, than still 15% less variance is a nice present from pokerstars and imo not to underestimate during a long downer where at the end youre way more tiltprone, even to stuff which usually does not affect you - cannot see why regs are not taking this present and are happy with it...

03-09-2013 , 03:30 PM

#557

harangutang

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Originally Posted by Ginge

Lefort also works for a company called "Run It Once" btw so...

So does Sharknebulah

03-09-2013 , 04:13 PM

#558

craiggerz

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Originally Posted by punter11235

Very interesting. I could swear it's slower at ZOOM but maybe it just seems that way.

It's not, just seems like it I guess. Look at it this way, would Stars offer something for free that would reduce their bottom line?

03-09-2013 , 04:47 PM

#559

harrygehakt

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Ivey's reasoning for not running it twice is that opponents are much more likely to play draws aggressively against you. For that reason he wants to run it once.
however on zoom most people dont know whether you want to run it once or twice so twice seems the better option.

03-10-2013 , 01:20 AM

#560

Into2ndWind

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Originally Posted by harrygehakt

lol, well that's some pretty bad reasoning for playing draws aggressively..

03-10-2013 , 03:32 AM

#561

heinz spack

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isnt variance the reason, why all of us (or most

) make money from playing this game???
and thats the reason why i love variance, even though im one of these guys running >100buyins under ev...

+ its just sooooo boring to tie 75% of the pots with AK vs QQ...

03-10-2013 , 05:13 AM

#562

Zrebna

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Originally Posted by heinz spack

isnt variance the reason, why all of us (or most

lolz, a real dumbass - haha^^

03-10-2013 , 06:26 AM

#563

Mr Monkee

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imo many regs (including me) don't rit cause they use hm1 and are too lazy to familiarise themselves with new tracking software. and hm1 doesn't show allin ev correctly for rit.

03-10-2013 , 06:31 AM

#564

z0mgtiltz

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^been fixed now i think if you have version 1.1.13(?)

edit: incorrect number, don't have that version on my laptop heh

Last edited by z0mgtiltz; 03-10-2013 at 06:39 AM.

03-10-2013 , 06:43 AM

#565

Rocky-PN

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Originally Posted by Mr Monkee

imo many regs (including me) don't rit cause they use hm1 and are too lazy to familiarise themselves with new tracking software. and hm1 doesn't show allin ev correctly for rit.

I liked that, always extra happy when I sucked out on the second board

03-10-2013 , 07:11 AM

#566

punter11235

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^been fixed now i think if you have version 1.1.13(?)

Yup 1.13.01. It was out in 2012 I believe, I can't remember when exactly though. You need to search release threads in hm1 forums.

03-10-2013 , 12:38 PM

#567

Imrahil

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How can a 50bber not have RIT enabled. They are so dumb considering they shove their stack in the middle every second hand.

03-10-2013 , 12:45 PM

#568

Imrahil

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Originally Posted by Ninja666

There is definetely plenty of reasons not to use RIT

I will not reveal those but I can tell you that at some point I benefit when Two other guys use RIT

shut up

03-10-2013 , 12:49 PM

#569

Klakteuh

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Originally Posted by Imrahil

How can a 50bber not have RIT enabled. They are so dumb considering they shove their stack in the middle every second hand.

Well ratholers aren't exactly the brightest people. On their push/fold chart it didn't indicate that they should use RIT.

03-10-2013 , 12:58 PM

#570

DoubleFly

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Obviously there are some pros and cons to RIT. I personally like it... When you play a ton of hands and have a decent win rate, you just want your results to be as close to the theoretical as possible.

03-10-2013 , 01:05 PM

#571

DoubleFly

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Originally Posted by Ninja666

There is definetely plenty of reasons not to use RIT

I will not reveal those but I can tell you that at some point I benefit when Two other guys use RIT

I doubt this is anything material. Probably something ******ed like the guy ahead losing both going on monkey tilt?

03-10-2013 , 06:09 PM

#572

Dypher

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dont understand why 40bbers can play till 1bb. Allways tilted when im not concetrated pre, open 3x and ****** shove 15-20bb.

All these ******s came from pokerstrategy? Never see other site learning this ASSPENETRATINGSTYLE. Really there should be only 100-1000000BB tables and shallows for shorts.

03-10-2013 , 06:16 PM

#573

Ninja666

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Originally Posted by DoubleFly

Disagree- if you play ton then you will much faster achieve long run and variance is not that scary.

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Originally Posted by DoubleFly

I doubt this is anything material. Probably something ******ed like the guy ahead losing both going on monkey tilt?

No, it is not related to mindset issues at all. If I am wrong then I will not lose anything, however it I am right then it is +EV for me

So win-win situation!

03-10-2013 , 06:23 PM

#574

punter11235

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Disagree- if you play ton then you will much faster achieve long run and variance is not that scary.

Do you realize that the more you play the farer you are on average from your EV ? Or in other words the expected difference between your result and expected result increases with volume ? You never 'hit long run' and allowing any unnecessary variance is just bad money managament.
It's the same thing as flipping (playing roulette is bad analogy) - silly but entertaining for some people. Your argument is exactly that.

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If I am wrong then I will not lose anything,

You lose utility - by allowing any more variance than you have to you are hurting yourself financially by reducing expected amount of useful things you will be able to buy.

Last edited by punter11235; 03-10-2013 at 06:29 PM.

03-10-2013 , 06:29 PM

#575

Ninja666

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Originally Posted by DoubleFly

I doubt this is anything material. Probably something ******ed like the guy ahead losing both going on monkey tilt?

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Originally Posted by punter11235

Do you realize that the more you play the farer you are on average from your EV ? Or in other words the expected difference between your result and expected result increases with volume ? You never 'hit long run' and allowing any unnecessary variance is just bad money managament.
It's the same thing as flipping (playing roulette is bad analogy) - silly but entertaining for some people. Your argument is exactly that.

You lose utility - by allowing any more variance than you have to you are hurting yourself financially.

LOL wut? just maybe get rid of those drugs sir.

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