Besides. It is just crazy how the table seating script is being used. I have not played at "peak hours" since I quit SNE. I am pretty sure there is a very easy way to spot this. I will take contact with Stars soon and tell them how. But then again, if they decide to allow it, then I might as well start using it myself. But for now, it seems it is in the gray zone.

i'm not sure what you waiting for. i could link at least 4 different emails where they explicitly stated the use of such software is legal but they looking into it.

looking into it means in general a timeframe of 3months up to never until the issue gets handled/solved

How is that everyone doesn't care with a player like Xela/rednaxela747 and apparently others who are datamining opponents and blatantly doing something that is against the rules of a site? Is it just because everyone else is doing it too so it is ok?

What you 'gon do ? No point whining about an issue which has been discussed for 6 years and where the sites are doing as much as they can. It's pretty much impossible to stop datamining. Even if sites don't allow observers, the players themselves can share DB's etc...

As for the scripts it's pretty much impossible to get a seat at the moment. Tables fill in less than 2s. Hope Stars changes the table system soon.

Hey guys, I dont need to get grimmed every time i try to open one table with one of you. If youy dont want to play 40bb HU, just let me know instead of sitting at my tables, playing your button and leaving. I know you dont like shortstacking, but I have noresponsabilities in permitting or banning shortstacking.

It depends on how much importance you give to the sustainability of online poker. Since a selfish perspective, I dont care a lot as I dont intend to play professional poker in mid term. I mean, I will use all the scripts and structural advantages that EVERYONE can get, and I think most people do the same.

Everyone breaking the rules so it's OK to cheat. Got it.

i think it obvious but you should no get to give stars advice on new rules if you break the current ones.

I remember the one time you complained about me grimming you but it came after I told you I wont start tables with you if you limp. So you decided to sit me shortly after that conversation and then limp. I think that affords me the right to grim you in that situation. It's pretty tilting to have 16 tables going and then all of a sudden the guy your playing hu at the 17th table starts limping right after he takes 3 stacks from you. And it wasnt an occasional limp it was every hand. You've done this multiple times to me. You aren't breaking any rules and have all the right in the world to do this. I think for certain respectable poker players ( does not include people such as losttoriver, sublime, etc) there are certain unwritten rules/ etiquette that most adhere to. Maybe it's not even about unwritten rules but more about just being a decent human. But limping after you get up a bunch of buyins heads up is a scummy move imo. Im not perfect, ive been an ass at times when im getting smoked but I don't think I would ever start limping on a guy right after I just detonated his 6 hour session. Again, your not breaking the rules but it was a move that I thought you were better than. I used to enjoy starting tables with you too.

So just to stay on topic. Why is auto seat scripts bad for the site? This might be how the sites are thinking.

1) The recreational player will feel hunted anyways. It doesnt matter whether table and wait list fills quick manually or insta fills automatic. The feeling for the recreational is likely the same. Especially when he loses either way.

2) The site gains a lower reg-rec factor, meaning more tables running and more rake paid to the site.

3) There might be more of an incentive to start tables, if auto seat scripts were cracked down on.

4) Failing to crack down on auto seat scripts would sooner or later raise the question. If sites can not even crack down on auto seat scripts, then how are they ever gonna be able to crack down on bots?

5) Why spend a lot of ressources on a little thing. There are more important things to spend the ressources on.


Their motive and thinking is way different from the most regulars, who almost everybody care about only playing poker only with recreationals.

So please help me. How can we convince the sites, that auto seat script seats are bad and should be cracked down on?

For me I am against auto seat scripts and I am yet to use one. For me when grinding SNE, it was very frustrating to see what happened with the wait list. Lately auto seat scripts have been way out of line. I think it is very sad to see automated take over like this. I think this is bad for poker as a sport.

as soon as i try to start a table, the table insta fills, i sit out, everyone sits out, i leave, game breaks. i can only imagine how it feels to a recreational player

you might want to work a little on your game then

damn spanish shortstacks

What winrates are you guys attaining in today's game anyway? more than 1bb? Honestly curious

if we dont want to play 40bb 6max, should we also just let you know and instead of sitting at our tables you will leave?

Re the rush discussion, it seems so blatantly clear that it's the best thing for cash games going forward but Stars has always been totally incompetent when it comes to innovation (cant even think of something they had before FTP did - antes, deep, cap, shallow, rit, draw games, you name it) and i doubt this is going to change going forward.

Yeah it has to be all zoom. No HU tables either.

all zoom is a terrible idea and would hurt mid/high stakes more than most imagine. stars new idea might solve most issues though, we'll see.

I don't see why it's so hard to ban seating scripts and make must move games. Wouldn't completely solve the problem, but would help a lot in the mean time while they come up with an end all be all solution

Too much predatory bumhunting has already seriously hurt the games and negatively affected the image of online poker. With a mix of MTTs, SNGs and zoom its a much more friendly poker environment for the casual player.

If all games are zoom a significant part of the recreational player pool will leave. Not all fish like zoom. Add the fact that we will have completly ridic reg:fish ratios, nobody will really be making money

Currently the person who makes the most money is not the most skilled but the one with the most sophisticated seating tool. How ridiculous is that? Zoom means we no longer reward this bs.

cheating has hurt online poker much more than good players trying to play in games where they have an edge or playing on the short stack. and the fact that you all care more about what the people who play inside the rules like shorties or scripters do than you care about the ones who are cheating shows a big problem in thinking or basic dishonest nature for most of you.

How do you know this?

Haven't you seen tablerating's replacement site?