There are really 2 ways to look at this:

- overall winrate
- seperate winrate of winnings and rakeback.

If you use seperate winrate of winnings and rakeback then the rakeback winrate will drop by a for now unknown %. You can also look at your overall winrate which will drop with an unknown % (but lower then just looking at rakeback).

Anyway to answer your question it will depend on the % if having a significant part of your profit coming from rakeback will still be viable. In your specific example any tax on rakeback bigger then 10% will make it so that 4tabling=24tabling. The higher the % the more reason to max your winrate before rakeback. A continueing supernova elite gets about 130k rakeback from stars, its seriously possible that with tax on this it drops to around 90K.

Regarding the date, these plans are from 2014 and on afaik, since the budget for 2013 has already been decided and there have been no mentions of a sell of the B&M part or the revenue of legalising online.

btw, if they did ring fence us I don't think it would be so bad, cause I can count like 5 regs of the top of my head that play 2nl-6nl at stars and are dutch. While there are just tons of fish I keep seeing that are dutch.

ok thanks for the detailed answer
i play 200nl-2000nl right now but only FR and was thinking about elite in 2013, should go for i think

good luck with that at midstakes, getting 24tables at midstakes going sounds kinda tuff.

its also 200nl, it should be possible really i just gotta increase my playhours
but i have the time, now all i need is the goal

focus on getting better and you'll make 300k+

. nevermind

what do you guys think about the idea of a timebank like in tourneys, where you get like 5 minutes for every hour you play at a table?

i just came to the idea while grinding tourneys and havent thought through it but at first glance it sounds awesome i think

I love this idea. I play pretty fast, so if I ever make a final table I'm just gonna go take a nice bath.

Man I ****ing hate fast tables so much. Another good thing about getting rid of the ratholers is that they are starting most of the fast tables.

Article summarizing auto-seating script use and Stars' stance on them (they allow them, but are discussing them):
http://pokerfuse.com/features/editor...oftware-05-11/

I'm posting under a different name, because I don't want to get flamed. But harangutang, a question to you: I'm curious since you seem to be so concerned with Pokerstars rules. Have you datamined or bought hand histories at any point in your career on pokerstars? If so, can you tell those who read this thread when the last time you did this was?

Regardless of that, I know for a fact that 95% + of you are doing this, so why should you get to tell Pokerstars what rules they should make when you have no respect for the existing ones.

hello sublime!

I think the number is more like 75% but i agree with you that its super super lame and an unfair advantage. I know people who can produce yearly graphs with all the hands on any reg and recently i was chatting with such a person who was pointing out noticable stats of mine which i had never even considered looking at in my life.

The reason this isn't such a major issue is that is isn't noticibly predatory to the fish but trust me i am not happy losing 1-2bb or w/e it is to people with unfair advantages and i did strongly encourage an atendee at the latest stars meetup to bring it up.

i think the best way to minimize the problem(can't see any way to eliminate it) would be to allow monthly sn changes like they do on partypoker.

I agree that the datamining is annoying and the fact people can purchase hands on others is super lame. What you do with the script is much worse though sublime.

one of the best part about stars is the permanent screen names. you can build reads, develop history, and don't have to constantly search for old notes from previous sns. don't have to deal with other regs stealing previous reg's sns (sublime does this...)

please don't change it to the party setup. maybe something yearly but once a month is over the top.

I'm not him, but I've read how he got flamed.

I think it is a bit telling that the player that benefits the most from an unlevel playing field in seat-taking has to register a new name to discuss it.

It seems like a seperate issue, but yes, a number of years ago (2009 I believe), when I first started playing on Stars, I purchased some Stars hand histories. I stopped once I learned that Stars had banned datamining and importing datamined hands. I came up playing on Party, where datamining was frequently referenced on the 2+2 forums and I never saw any reference to it being against Party's rules, and was even built into the most popular table scanning software of the time (spadeye). It has been a few years since I have bought any hand histories and those hands are long gone from my hud.

yawn

I agree that it does seem to be an issue and is very hard to police. That said, it is still a different issue. Banning and policing the seat scripts should be to everyone's benefit, with the execption of the small group of players who are using these non-public scripts.

Where? All I recall were a couple of posts where he defended using "table scanners" and ignoring the questions about his seat-taking script.

One of the reasons I didn't mention anybody by name in the article, is that I feel that regulating this kind of thing mostly falls on the sites. That doesn't mean that serious players with a vested interest in good, profitable, sustainable games can't lobby for changes and improvements.

No one puts me on more lifetilt than Schmeff by just sitting on a table...

Anyone else get one of these?

Dear PokerStars Player,

We’re writing to inform you that the maximum number of ring game tables you are able to sit at concurrently (your ‘table cap’) has been increased to 28.

This increase is a direct result of your speedy play at the tables. Table caps exist to facilitate the most enjoyable poker experience possible in the world’s largest poker room. These caps keep players from playing more tables than they can keep up with and slowing down their opponents’ playing experiences as a result.

ha u play 24 tables normally newman?
i think that guy baebba is allowed like 36 or something redic