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01-25-2016 , 10:23 PM
2 to 1 with JTs against a super squeeze, good or nah?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 129 BB (VPIP: 19.73, PFR: 4.31, 3Bet Preflop: 2.35, Hands: 450)
Hero (SB): 215.4 BB
BB: 118.6 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
UTG: 115.2 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.40, PFR: 16.81, 3Bet Preflop: 8.54, Hands: 241)
CO: 98.6 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J T

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero calls 2.6 BB, BB raises to 20 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 17 BB
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01-25-2016 , 10:26 PM
no, I'd fold pre.
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01-25-2016 , 10:26 PM
Nope. If he has an overpair you need to flop the World. Even then, many flops that hit you, will also hit him.
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01-25-2016 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
no, I'd fold pre.
How low would you say his 3b would have to be to call? 17ish?
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01-25-2016 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bukafax
How low would you say his 3b would have to be to call? 17ish?
squeezing 4 players from BB. this is a fold 99% of the time.

if he minsqueezes (and got called by 1-3 players), then its a call ofc.

given that he isos you: give him a range (which is strong) and calc it
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01-26-2016 , 12:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bukafax
How low would you say his 3b would have to be to call? 17ish?
I think you misunderstand. I'd fold pre, like... before you even get 3b.
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01-26-2016 , 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
I think you misunderstand. I'd fold pre, like... before you even get 3b.
That would be a mistake Sir....
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01-26-2016 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by btthywrsooted
That would be a mistake Sir....
Lol.
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01-26-2016 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Lol.
No?
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01-26-2016 , 07:04 AM
if Bb raised to 9bbs and everyone else folded I'd still F
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01-26-2016 , 07:20 AM
Without Stats hard to Say, but let me Put it this way! MP is thight: Probebly he got 33-AA, Ak, AKs, AQs, some times AJs,ATs,KQs in his MP opening range! BTN can call with any Pocket 22-88, KQ, Ax's, and Many Suited connecters 34-QJ.,he probebly raises AQs 99-AA,KQs (if he knows MP is tight he call probebly lot of his 3bets, so he raises just AA,KK maybe QQ,AKs).,in this Spot you get a good Price to call but you are most likely dominatet or if you hit.,your opponents most likely hittin strong draws too, and you are out of Position against this 2 players, the other thing is if you got an Aggro Loose typisch Player in the BB hes probebly Squez this Spot a lot. The Only way you can Play this Hand is to Squez from SB, so you got the Betting lead.,but i dont think it works a good Portion of the time.,you can get 4bets from Aggro BB or Thight MP! So if MP is Thight and BB loose Aggro.,Fold is Best Option i think!

If MP is loose and BB passive or Thight.,you defenitly can Squez there a good Portion of Times.,to Balance your SB 3bet range!

If MP is Loose and BB is loos aggro you can defenitly 5bet Bluff Shove against BB if he 4bets your Squez 1 in 1000 times.,if MP Folds!

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01-26-2016 , 01:12 PM
I thing the overcall is fine because JTs is exactly the kind of hand you want multiway and most of the time the BB will not squeeze. After the squeeze I don't think it's profitable to call again. JTs could be a good hand to resqueeze if you were the opener, but after you overcall this many players everybody knows the best hand you have is something like 88. It's not worth it.
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01-26-2016 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
I think you misunderstand. I'd fold pre, like... before you even get 3b.
U wot m8?

Just fold pre op (to the 3bet...)
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01-26-2016 , 05:47 PM
3b pre yourself - hand has sexy robust equity.
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01-26-2016 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Kiwi_Shredder
3b pre yourself - hand has sexy robust equity.
Was thinking about that but wasn't sure if I should be multiway with that hand. I guess OOP makes it a 3b the most viable next to a fold.
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01-26-2016 , 10:13 PM
I think of all the options here 3b pre is the worst.
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01-27-2016 , 02:03 PM
I probably 3 bet pre, it's a nice hand but you're in the SB
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