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12-08-2017 , 12:29 AM

Purrfekt

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Extra info on V: F3B 35%, from CO 25% (1/4) FCB 48% FCB3BP 40% Total AF 2

partypoker - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 123 BB (VPIP: 7.41, PFR: 3.70, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 81)
SB: 227.8 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 95.6 BB
MP: 106 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
CO: 135.2 BB (VPIP: 21.84, PFR: 15.98, 3Bet Preflop: 5.33, Hands: 766)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.6 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 8.2 BB, CO calls 5.6 BB

Flop: (16.8 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero bets 9.4 BB, CO calls 9.4 BB

Turn: (35.6 BB, 2 players) A

Hero checks, CO checks

River: (35.6 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero checks, CO bets 40 BB, Hero?

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12-08-2017 , 12:34 AM

.isolated

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Bigger pre.
Bigger flop.
lol river. I would fold. I am a nit.

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12-08-2017 , 12:41 AM

Purrfekt

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Originally Posted by .isolated

Bigger pre.
Bigger flop.
lol river. I would fold. I am a nit.

Agreed on the bigger sizings, especially facing this V. Mistakes have been made, still that R spot. :'(

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12-08-2017 , 04:45 AM

IClickButtons

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Bigger pre, as of the river I'd probably call even for that sizing, because V's line looks weird to me, river is a blank, draws missed etc. I am a station.

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12-08-2017 , 04:58 AM

wonkydonk

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I’d say this is one of our better combos of bluffcatchers to call. No club and it’s probably better to block AJ than AK. With the action post and this villain I think we’ll see some bluffs here so I don’t like folding all our bluffcatchers.

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12-08-2017 , 02:12 PM

JamesBJames

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That's kind of gross. I'm having a hard time thinking of how many Ax's we have in our range OTR that we can c/c vs. how many Tx's we have to fold. JJ no club seems a pretty good candidate to call because we don't block flush draws, but I imagine it's pretty close regardless.

I'm a nit and am folding, but if there's a quarter close to me I might flip it instead.

Would check JcJx OTF for what it's worth.

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12-11-2017 , 06:37 AM

IClickButtons

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Originally Posted by JamesBJames

Would check JcJx OTF for what it's worth.

Why? Do you think we c/fing this flop texture a lot?

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12-11-2017 , 10:43 AM

JamesBJames

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Originally Posted by IClickButtons

Why? Do you think we c/fing this flop texture a lot?

Not a lot, but I'm not thrilled about this texture OOP range v range. It's not bad for us (we probably have like 55%ish equity with our range, maybe a tad more), but we're not crushing the board. I think it's a spot where we can get ourselves into trouble if we c-bet everything OOP. Correspondingly, I'm c/f'ing some air OTF, and I suppose I balance by checking some of the hands that have a hard time going for three streets of value (some of my least vulnerable Tx's, JcJx, etc.).

Not sure how correct that is -- maybe I should get PIO at some point -- but that's my thought process.

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12-11-2017 , 10:59 AM

tomj

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Wouldnt check flop with vulnerability to so many overs, but its a dry texture so betting small to 6 or 7bbs could be good. Not sure bluff blockers is an issue once turn checks through but could be I guess since A is obv a better card for us..?
We probably have a decent amount of AXs to bluffcatch with. Id look him up fairly wide because not scared of too many monsters and who really bets an ace this big verses a range of give ups and bluffcatchers (I know overbets are meant to be used vs a capped range, but my question is what does villain want us to do vs this sizing, id say fold mostly)

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12-12-2017 , 03:53 AM

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IClickButtons

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Originally Posted by JamesBJames

Thank you for good reasoning. Obviously we are not c-betting everything here but ATs, KTs may call 3 streets on some run outs, maybe even T9s - not many hands though and maybe we can check JJ with a club against CO defense, I agree. Still I think we should be betting any JJ against a button defense because it is just too strong to check and we can find some weaker hands in our range to defend our c/folds.

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12-12-2017 , 05:28 AM

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yasuo

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why can't we cbet wide on the flop

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12-12-2017 , 05:42 AM

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IClickButtons

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Originally Posted by yasuo

why can't we cbet wide on the flop

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because

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Originally Posted by JamesBJames

we probably have like 55%ish equity with our range, maybe a tad more, but we're not crushing the board.

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12-12-2017 , 05:46 AM

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yasuo

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Originally Posted by IClickButtons

because

I could be wrong, but in btn vs bb dry flop situation (where btn is considered to have a strong advantage) btn has around 55% as well

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12-12-2017 , 06:18 AM

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IClickButtons

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Originally Posted by yasuo

I could be wrong, but in btn vs bb dry flop situation (where btn is considered to have a strong advantage) btn has around 55% as well

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What do you mean by "dry flop"? The equity balance b/w ranges on each particular texture is impotent, not the "dryness". I mean let us consider BB vs BT 3bet situation, you may say that 247off and AK9off are both dry but in fact the equity balances b/w bb and bt ranges differ significantly .

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12-12-2017 , 02:06 PM

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Brokenstars

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I still bet turn

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12-13-2017 , 05:41 AM

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Risso

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Yeah I'm a station and would call this river AP. I actually kinda like the check on the turn since we allow v to take a stab on the pot.

V likes to play 3bet pots in position and rarely folds to cbets in the spot, so think it's kinda reasonable that v has a somewhat wide range. We haven't shown any strength at all with our sizing so think that v probably can put us on a range with broadways and pp that are scared of the 'A' or just gave up since we checked twice.

Could see v betting with lower pp's and missed draws/broadways here.

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12-13-2017 , 11:21 AM

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Flpmethntsdlr

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars

I still bet turn

And river, too? That's some other level stuff lol.

AP, flip a coin otr.

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