PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 106.8 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
CO: 103 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 41.4 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 14)
BB: 114.28 BB (VPIP: 28.89, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 48)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 21.74, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J J

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.4 BB, SB calls 2 BB, BB raises to 9.6 BB, Hero calls 7.2 BB, fold

Flop: (21.6 BB, 2 players) 2 6 2
BB bets 13 BB, Hero calls 13 BB

Turn: (47.6 BB, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (47.6 BB, 2 players) 8
BB bets 35 BB, Hero - ?

Its queens or air. I call ;D

Results:

i'm folding
sounds like he's trying to c/r off that king

R otf.

I'd call. K shouldn't be that scary so it's basically the board you want to see.

BB 3bet pre. What does he do that with? AA, KK, AK. Maybe QQ, JJ, TT. Less likely AQ, KQ. A lot of those hands either were already ahead or pull ahead ott. Seems pretty scary to me.

From a button raise? Unless the guy is a nit his 3 bet range is a lot wider.

His calling range should be, not his 3bet range. Wide folding range = nit, not wide calling range.

I 3 bet suited connecters here all the time.

fold, don't really see what part of his 3 betting range you beat after the turn that he vbets. Think call otf was good, if he bricks turn most likely x to you.

A lot of right answers appeared after the results came

Absolutely
But we should be suspicius. K ott is the best bluff card, so why was not used to bet air? Line bet-check-bet is rarely bluff in general.
Before seen result I expected him holding KK.

Haven't looked at results yet. You might be able to make an exploitble fold here. If villain wanted to bluff he probably would have just kept betting on the turn since that's the perfect card to barrel and b/x/b is so often value ime. His sizing does seem a bit large for QQ imo though. I think this is mostly Kx+. Maybe a KQ.

Edit, looked at results. I'm such a boss.

This is terrible advice.

How is the K not scary? It's very scary.

Close. Aside from Kx floats it's hard for us to have better here. He could conceivably bet 99/TT. That said I would expect most players to bet this turn with their bluffs, the bet/check/bet line always seemed to be value when I played 25nl, and his sizing doesn't look thin. Call and make sure to take a note about his turn check.

Agree with this. Except that I don't think most people at 25nl would bet 1010/99 with that sizing on the river. And therefore this could be a fold at 25nl.

Nothing wrong with calling here btw Imo

I've raised in these spots and I can see why this is not great, for one it kind of says out loud "I have an overpair" and can cause an opponent to fold out hands like 77 and 88 that we really want them to stick around with. However, if we fold to a river bet here, how should we play this hand in other situations? Would you call a turn bet? Would you bet the turn if checked to, had something like a 9 rolled off? How about a Q, which hits a little less of his range? I'm usually kinda lost in these spots.

Yep, most of the time we're just isolating ourselves vs better hands. Of course there are merits to raising, such as we cleaning up our equity(read: protection) but that's not enough reason by itself to bet/raise.

I think the standard would certainly be to call another turn bet had villain bet it in this hand. Then it just depends on any reads such as villain's range/betting tendencies whether we want to deviate from that standard.

I think betting in that spot would would be fine because it balances our floats/draws nicely + we get some protection + we're not isolating ourselves vs a range that beats us. I think check can be fine though too if we think villain will play badly vs it or is checking QQ+ a lot.


For calling, same as K. For betting, would check this back most of the time.

btw I can't disagree with this. I think we might agree that vs an unknown tag this is probably not a profitable spot to call, but calling and making a note, particularly if this is a reg we're going to be seeing a lot of can't really be a mistake ITLR.

Yeah, I think we should call in theory even though I don't like it much. But having read results now this is a sweet thing to know about a villain.

4 bet the squeeze...As played raise flop.

Don't raise flop. Sigh call now and wish people bluffed more. Same reason I think blades said; top rangers. If we don't defend this and we 4b QQ+ pre...well we have a huge problem now don't we.

I overfold in this spot