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NL25 - butchering the hand from pre to the river NL25 - butchering the hand from pre to the river

12-27-2019 , 04:18 PM
disclaimer: divide the $ amount by 100.
unknown villain - very first hand
figured villain as fish bcos he posted the blinds and then min raised, then did the min bet on flop.



    SB: $4,176.27 (167.1 bb)
    BB: $3,490.14 (139.6 bb)
    UTG: $1,998.90 (80 bb)
    MP: $5,465.66 (218.6 bb)
    CO: $2,500 (100 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $3,039.03 (121.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q A
    CO posts BB OOP, 2 folds, CO raises to $50, Hero raises to $200, 2 folds, CO calls $150
    Quote:
    is this a call or 3bet pre? there is discrepancy in snowie preflop advisor and scenario
    Flop: ($435) A 4 9 (2 players)
    CO bets $25, Hero raises to $258.80, CO calls $233.80

    Quote:
    my usual line is raise the donk min bet and see what they do.
    Turn: ($952.60) 8 (2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $914.50, CO calls $914.50
    Quote:
    should i check here? or is this a 1/4, 1/3 spot?. vs a donk min bet moron, i figured my monster draw is good and wanted to put him all in by river
    River: ($2,781.60) 5 (2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $1,335.17, CO calls $1,126.70 and is all-in

    NL25 - butchering the hand from pre to the river Quote
    12-27-2019 , 04:38 PM
    Easy BBJ vs this guy, hand is wp
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    12-28-2019 , 06:15 PM
    I don't think it's butchered either, but I think V will show up with 99,88, A9 or A8 when calling this river a lot of the time

    Pre- easy 3 bet
    Flop-easy raise
    Turn-no reason not to bet it...I'm still going at least 1/2 PSB, maybe bigger
    River-I don't think it's bad either way between check back and your bet. Good spot to take a note on V for sure though

    Last edited by crow27; 12-28-2019 at 06:23 PM.
    NL25 - butchering the hand from pre to the river Quote
    12-28-2019 , 06:48 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by crow27
    I don't think it's butchered either, but I think V will show up with 99,88, A9 or A8 when calling this river a lot of the time
    Feel like they just rip turn
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    12-28-2019 , 07:01 PM
    Turn bet is too big.
    NL25 - butchering the hand from pre to the river Quote
    12-28-2019 , 08:38 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Unsporting
    Feel like they just rip turn
    I think so too

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by crow27
    I don't think it's butchered either, but I think V will show up with 99,88, A9 or A8 when calling this river a lot of the time

    Pre- easy 3 bet
    Flop-easy raise
    Turn-no reason not to bet it...I'm still going at least 1/2 PSB, maybe bigger
    River-I don't think it's bad either way between check back and your bet. Good spot to take a note on V for sure though
    come to think of it, check call river seems ok too


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
    Turn bet is too big.
    logic please - is it because of the monster draw?
    NL25 - butchering the hand from pre to the river Quote
    12-28-2019 , 08:54 PM
    No its because you lose value from weaker hands. When you bet bigger V can fold more
    NL25 - butchering the hand from pre to the river Quote
    12-28-2019 , 09:13 PM
    Turn just lets him off the hook, go small, can still get the money in on the river. Your also probably perceived to almost never be bluffing in this spot so going big really does not make sense. Like you may actually have 0 bluffs here and even a fish can recognise that.

    The biggest reason to bet smaller is to keep all his 9x in. Even a fish will fold a 9 more often than not to that turn size.
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    12-29-2019 , 12:43 AM
    stop thinking about GTO vs obvious fish this is a fistpump 3bet everything else would be missplayed

    i raise flop bigger to 400 he is not folding any hand in my experience

    GTO is relevant vs aggressive opponents. vs a playerpool that calls too much and is passive its very bad in comparison to an exploitable value oriented playstyle.
    Instead of focussing on that you should focus on fundamentals i.e. logical thinking. What hands are you trying to get value from? There is no reason to pot turn so that you can 1/2 river

    Last edited by sinnaJ; 12-29-2019 at 12:49 AM.
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    12-29-2019 , 01:23 AM
    yuck, where did i mention GTO?

    the reason to pot turn is bcos they are inelastic to bet sizes plus these guys peel off a lot with PP, weird ass gutshots and i dont want them to spike on river
    NL25 - butchering the hand from pre to the river Quote
    12-29-2019 , 08:23 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dubakkur2
    yuck, where did i mention GTO?

    the reason to pot turn is bcos they are inelastic to bet sizes plus these guys peel off a lot with PP, weird ass gutshots and i dont want them to spike on river
    you mentioned Snowie ranges which just dont apply here
    NL25 - butchering the hand from pre to the river Quote
    12-29-2019 , 09:58 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sinnaJ
    you mentioned Snowie ranges which just dont apply here
    snowie is NOT GTO
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    12-29-2019 , 10:16 AM
    Just make turn smaller and ship rivers, it ain’t that deep
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    12-29-2019 , 11:24 AM
    I’d go 150 pre. 200 on the flop. 700 on the turn. Still probably GII on the river but it seems close
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    12-29-2019 , 01:12 PM
    Turn is large, but I don't think this is a problem.

    nh
    NL25 - butchering the hand from pre to the river Quote
    12-29-2019 , 02:16 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dubakkur2
    snowie is NOT GTO
    Snowie is approaching an unexploitable strategy by playing billions of hands against itself. What is Snowie then if not approaching GTO?
    NL25 - butchering the hand from pre to the river Quote

          
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