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NL10 SH Speed - Great or horrible move? NL10 SH Speed - Great or horrible move?

11-18-2013 , 08:20 PM
Hi guys, what do you think about this hand?

Villain Stats (31 hands):
VPIP 21
PFR 10
WTSD 50
Fold to Flop CBet 0
Bet vs Missed CBet IP 100

    IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20899531

    BB: $10 (100 bb)
    MP: $12.54 (125.4 bb)
    CO: $11.54 (115.4 bb)
    BTN: $4.39 (43.9 bb)
    Hero (SB): $4.33 (43.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 A
    3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

    Flop: ($0.60) 3 A 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets $0.42, Hero calls $0.42

    Turn: ($1.44) J (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.10, BB raises to $1.21, Hero calls $1.11

    River: ($3.86) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.10, BB raises to $4.16, Hero calls $2.30 and is all-in




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    Preflop: Standard.

    Flop: Given the board and the fact that he bets 100% when the raiser checks to him, I decide to turn my hand into "a medium par" and play it check/call. Of course I could've bet as he has 0 Fold to CBet, but doing that I would only extract 1 extra street of value (the turn, supposing he floats to bet turn), and if he bets river I'd be in a difficult spot. Like this, I 'force' him to bluff (with "like this" I reffer to the next streets).

    Turn: In this stakes I believe these moves work a decent amount of time.. I am telling him I have something like Kings or a draw, so I definitely want a raise and I'll be calling to maintain all his bluffs in the hand. He does raise, and of course I called, planning to minibet/call almost any river.

    River: What I expected to happen ended happening.

    The question here is, can I ever avoid getting it all in there one way or the other against a better hand??? If not, I guess my line is fine because it's the one which would extract the most out of bluffs.

    Thoughts?
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    11-18-2013 , 08:27 PM
    10c raise on turn is weird, after he raised to 11x that I would fold
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    11-18-2013 , 08:45 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Brokenstars
    10c raise on turn is weird, after he raised to 11x that I would fold
    You shouldn't look at that raise as "11x", you should compare it to the pot.

    The 10c bet is 'forcing' my opponent to bluff because I'm representing some medium-strenght hand that beats, for example, a Five. I'm sending a message saying "I want to get to showdown cheap", but what I really want is a raise from my opponent's range.

    Of course that I won't do that 1bb bet looking for a fold. Sometimes, however, I'd do it when I REALLY want to get cheap to showdown and in those spots I'll end up folding, so I balance with these moves (which happen twice per week or so, not everyday..)

    Edit: forgot to mention that there was a fd too which didn't get there, that's something to have in mind.

    Last edited by PabloPagla; 11-18-2013 at 08:51 PM.
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    11-18-2013 , 08:50 PM
    Don't mind donk OTT looool

    You're a fish so I doubt hes bluffing tbh
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    11-18-2013 , 08:57 PM
    Might have played this one in a fishy, random way. But saying I'm a fish looking at 1 hand where I'm not calling ultra light without arguments or something like that, is wrong regardless of me being a real fish or not.
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    11-18-2013 , 09:00 PM
    Why are we ghey betting? Most opponents are going to act as if you've checked.

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    11-18-2013 , 09:17 PM
    At that point I am ahead of my opponent's range, so I'm try to build up the pot while "checking". Plus the look of 'blocker bet' might induce a bluff more often than a check.

    I see all or you have doubts, but anyone wants to explain why you think DOING or NOT DOING 'X' would be the best?
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    11-18-2013 , 09:24 PM
    Limp pre.

    Min bet flop.
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    11-18-2013 , 09:28 PM
    Dissapointed to see a YGO player laughing at my post.. Found poker thanks to YGO :P
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    11-18-2013 , 09:31 PM
    As a standard I'd bet two or three streets, tending toward three, in this spot. There are only really two realistic Ax with a better kicker and some two pair which probably raise at some stage. It's also going to be super-hard for him to fold TP bvb.
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    11-18-2013 , 09:36 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
    As a standard I'd bet two or three streets, tending toward three, in this spot. There are only really two realistic Ax with a better kicker and some two pair which probably raise at some stage. It's also going to be super-hard for him to fold TP bvb.
    Thanks man. Supposing you bet flop and turn, and get raised on the turn (in the same board avobe), you fold? Also, if you go for 2 streets of value and, after you check the river, villain bets (50/60% of the pots lets say), what would you do and why??
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    11-18-2013 , 09:49 PM
    Readless, yes, and it depends what the turn and river were. I'm rarely calling a bet if I don't think I can value bet readless, especially if it would require villain to have double-floated.
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    11-18-2013 , 10:47 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
    Readless, yes, and it depends what the turn and river were. I'm rarely calling a bet if I don't think I can value bet readless, especially if it would require villain to have double-floated.
    Good point, thanks!
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    11-18-2013 , 10:49 PM
    I'll reword it then, you played it like a fish so I doubt he's bluffing
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    11-19-2013 , 06:44 AM
    bad move
    not balanced
    but if you go for this move then go for it on 3 streets
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    11-19-2013 , 10:40 AM
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    Originally Posted by Deeepz
    bad move
    not balanced
    but if you go for this move then go for it on 3 streets
    On the flop I cbet 'standard' because he is very likely to float given his stats.

    Why do you say that the move isn't balanced?
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    11-19-2013 , 10:45 AM
    Are you tryna say you have a balanced minbet/call line OTT?
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    11-19-2013 , 01:33 PM
    minbet flop

    and buy in to 56bb
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    11-19-2013 , 04:21 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ohhesdamned
    Are you tryna say you have a balanced minbet/call line OTT?
    You got a point... No, I don't, I have a balanced range between 'I call a raise' and 'I fold to a raise', but I guess I never fold river once I called turn...
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    11-19-2013 , 04:25 PM
    after seeing what happened after donking on the turn why would you donk on the river if you know what's going to happen and then question making the call.
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    11-19-2013 , 04:44 PM
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    Originally Posted by PabloPagla
    You got a point... No, I don't, I have a balanced range between 'I call a raise' and 'I fold to a raise', but I guess I never fold river once I called turn...
    So you're saying you like to balance your calling range
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    11-19-2013 , 09:35 PM
    Its very funny when people do this ****.
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    11-19-2013 , 10:43 PM
    Wat.
    Bet flop
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