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03-09-2018 , 08:42 PM

Deliric

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Both recreational players

$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

Hero (BTN): $50 (100 bb)
BB: $41.79 (83.6 bb)
SB: $52.94 (105.9 bb)
CO: $49.14 (98.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.75, BB folds, CO calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.50) 6

(3 players)
SB bets $1.25, CO calls $1.25, Hero raises to $8.69, SB calls $7.44, CO calls $7.44

Turn: ($32.57) J

(3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $23.21, Hero?

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03-09-2018 , 09:36 PM

CrazyAndy27s

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Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 938

Weird lines like this are usually value heavy. J9 seems to be the main hand or other turned weird two pairs.

Also, recreational players love to slowplay and take strange lines with the nuts so it could be the sets or the straight as well.

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03-09-2018 , 11:05 PM

Ojune

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Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 5,171

what an annoying spot

I think I just shove and hope there is enough crap tp make it better than folding

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03-10-2018 , 07:00 PM

BL42024

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Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 277

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Originally Posted by Ojune

what an annoying spot

I think I just shove and hope there is enough crap tp make it better than folding

annoying spot for sure... but think this is a fold, hero line is very strong so far, so CO doing this w/ jus a pair of jacks for value would be weird, and you still have sb in the hand, if you call/shove (this is basically pot committed bet, right) does the sb then tag along getting pot odds? getting it in 3 ways possibly w a one pair hand.. idk jus don't think CO is bluffing too much here at all and there are better spots imo (but in the middle of a sess I could easily see myself saying F-it and shove lol)

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03-10-2018 , 07:13 PM

WorldzMine

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I'd lean towards folding just because this looks value heavy but it's definitely an annoying spot. I just think folding is the safe play here

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03-10-2018 , 10:57 PM

Ojune

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I think we can expect them to bet bigger/reraise flop with many strong hands. The 9 doesn't improves anything except J9. We still have reasonable equity vs 2 pairs. I don't mind folding though.

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03-11-2018 , 12:26 AM

BL42024

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Originally Posted by Ojune

I think we can expect them to bet bigger/reraise flop with many strong hands. The 9 doesn't improves anything except J9. We still have reasonable equity vs 2 pairs. I don't mind folding though.

agree I would think most the time V would reraise (and should) a flopped strait/2pair/set but ppl slow play in the wrong spots all the time, and w/ V limping 87s, 65s, 66. 55 are all very much in V's range.... hero is a 81/18 dog equity right here to two pair (95/5 to sets, dead to strait)... and sb is still alive in the hand

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03-11-2018 , 03:14 AM

Ojune

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well yes, I'm aware of that. I also think he can easily show up with pair + gutshot type hands

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03-11-2018 , 05:49 AM

BL42024

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Originally Posted by Ojune

well yes, I'm aware of that. I also think he can easily show up with pair + gutshot type hands

I think those hands are a lot less likely given V line... and even adding those hands (98s, 96s, 76s) to what I think is more likely in V range so if you give him 66,55,J9s,98s,96s,87s,76s,65s,J9o V has 76/24 equity, Id add Js w/ K-7 of spades as well to range if we include the pair + gutshots, but then V is still has a 70/30 equity edge... guessing you have a diff range for V then me still tho, what is it? you cant like the call/put it in vs this range, right..hero should have ~40 behind him and 23 bet to call, so imo its shove/fold decision (and again sb still in so his hand to beat possibly as well)

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03-11-2018 , 05:54 AM

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Ojune

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lets say I'm less pessimistic about villain's range than you, no need to discuss it further

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03-11-2018 , 06:25 AM

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tomj

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Fold imo, SB is still to act as well

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03-11-2018 , 06:26 AM

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BL42024

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Originally Posted by Ojune

lets say I'm less pessimistic about villain's range than you, no need to discuss it further

but I thought that's why we were posting here, to discuss the hand, right? I'm jus trying to understand your different choice to shove instead of fold ott, I'm not saying I'm right on all this or anything but you obv have diff range then me, was jus asking what that range is so I could understand your choice better...

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03-11-2018 , 06:44 AM

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Ojune

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a range we do well enough to shove against

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03-11-2018 , 09:03 AM

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BL42024

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Originally Posted by Ojune

a range we do well enough to shove against

thanks for clarifying... I see your point now and shoving obv must be the best play here, after all "we still have reasonable equity vs 2 pairs", right? smh

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03-11-2018 , 09:13 AM

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Brokenstars

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more info on the recs required

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03-11-2018 , 10:31 AM

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Ojune

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Originally Posted by BL42024

thanks for clarifying... I see your point now and shoving obv must be the best play here, after all "we still have reasonable equity vs 2 pairs", right? smh

**** off

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03-12-2018 , 02:49 AM

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AltoZZ

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Folding as a default here. Sizing is so big and SB is still left to act.

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