could probably infer from his 4bet% if it's possible for him to have QQ or JJ here.

Well OP said his 4bet % is 0 over his sample, so.. I think it's highly likely.

Reason 1: He raises UTG, we 3b him in position, he flats.

Reason 2: We cbet humongous, he c/c'd on AJx.

Definitely fold the river.

Sorry. I meant why isn't KQ in our range, which is what you said initially. misclick

Oh yeah kinda obvious, my bad, was tired when posting.

KQ is much better for flatting pre on the button. Maybe BU vs CO vs a guy with 40% fold I'd 3b it but not vs EP raises. If you're 3betting for such thin value your flattingrange becomes incredibly weak and you become very easy to 3barrel on alot of boards.

Do you like read ever?

Dude wrote villain fold to 3b3t is 40% so how come do you always expect him to have QQ+ when calling this 3bet.

To make it more clear jest PLEASE people add your own stats cause its virtually impossible to debate without knowing how the other player perceives you. Especially if you both are regs. History is quite essential. What's your 3bet range OTB? How frequently have you been 3betting him IP?
Sometimes these might me the crucial factors that will elp you make optial decision.

Never cbet 3/4 in that spot. Bet like 40$ on the flop. Tere is no good draw there. You want him to stay in the hand with a weaker ace or maybe even with a smaller pair.

I don't think you can ever fold this hand after cecking the turn like ou are weak. With no sigificat history between you 2 I call.

i feel like KQo is fine to put in your bluffing range vs utg.

An ep opener is generally opening with premium hands and pocket pairs. How do you expect to make calling with KQo on the BTN +EV? You'll miss most of the time and be facing a cbet. And if you are getting alot of action on a board with a K or Q he likely has AK/AQ or a set. Or am I just thinking like a typical nit?

If you're only getting action when he has it, it means you can float him a ton when you miss as he'll give up. If he gives so much action that you can't float, you can very profitably call down with top pair.

Run a stove of KQ vs a 12% (very very very tight) UTG opening range. Even then it's 40%+ or something. That + dead money from blinds + positional advantage is still a +EV call, even vs a supernit. But most people open in the range of 15-22%.

Dude I read what he wrote.

And what he wrote is Villain is a fine reg, fold to 3bet is 40%. But I can't see where he explains how often villain flats a 3bet OOP and how often IP cause I bet you 1000$ a "fine reg" doesn't do it nearly as often OOP as he does IP. Which means when he does flat OOP he has a hand. I really don't know why that should be so hard to understand.

+EV calls can be more profitable light 3bets. KQo also suffers more from RIO than benefits from IO, so looking at straight equity isn't enough. Plus if people squeeze light but never cold 4bet light vs UTG (which doesn't seem unreasonable) you lose more equity on the flat call.

You make a good argument, but I think there are valid counter arguments, esp against people w/ less than 18% utg

But now you're basicly arguing that you should be 3betting depolarized in position. That's a whole other discussion. Though in general that's a good idea vs 40% f3b, against UTG raisers I'd disagree.

I'm advocating polarized. KQo would be the top of my folding range or bottom of my calling range.

Yeah then ofcourse you should 3b it. Tje top of your foldingrange are the best 3b bluffing hands. But if it's at the top of your foldingrange it means you think flatting is -EV. That's where I disagree.

AQ is goot. Any thoughts on timing tells?

If flatting is +.1EV and light 3betting is +.2EV, that's not the case. You can light 3bet hands that are marginally profitable to flat with.

Lol at folding this

wat's all this talk about folding this . Im def not folding.

why?