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10-28-2015 , 02:17 PM

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yjs1210

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 218

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Originally Posted by SCF

To be honest, I don't hate a fold here vs. a guy who appears to only get aggressive preflop with a nutted range (but is otherwise loose-passive).

While our sample size for his 4bets is probably unreliable, the 1% 4bet range is reinforced by his 2.4% preflop 3bet over 1,513 hands. This is pretty indicative that he only 3bets AK,KK+ and that the 1% 4bet range is reliable. And here, we have a cold 4bet to a massive amount from a somewhat passive guy who has position on us and is semi-deep (i.e., his natural inclination is going to be to flat AK and QQ).

Yeah, but I'm not really concerned about getting exploited by a nut-peddler who 3bets 2.4% and 4bets a 1% range.

This should've been exactly what I was thinking before I shove.

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10-28-2015 , 02:33 PM

#27

Holyherb

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Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 243

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Originally Posted by SCF

Even if we're just 50bb deep, this is a trivial fold vs a KK+ range. The debate is not whether this is a fold with KK vs. {KK+}, the debate is whether villain's range is really {KK+}.

Also, calling the BTN's open would be terrible, as BB is probably calling our 3bet roughly 10 times more often than we face a cold 4bet.

Ah I misread the hand, I thought hero was BB and BB was BTN for whatever reason.

So yeah I guess it really depends on whether BB would cc the 3b with AK or 4b it. That is tough.

If he knows anything about stack sizes I would say it's a fold then.

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10-28-2015 , 09:03 PM

#28

cardbrute

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,555

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Originally Posted by skuzlad

WARNING: this is going to sound unproductive and immature but there is a point behind this nonsense:

I'm going broke blind vs blind with KK. Im going broke blind vs button. Im going broke blind vs CO .... etc. until maybe, just maybe ill fold vs UTG against like 11/7 (but maybe im still going broke).

(seriously) Because you are so deep AND you have position, why not call (and then go broke on later streets) you might even be trapping QQ and AK which I wouldnt be surprised for villain to have that holding.

If you are like 300bb deep effective, then yes it would be an awful mistake to GII with KK pre. I've seen so many regs for some reason think that their kings are good and jam over my 5th or 6th bet (secret: my 5 bet and 6 bet are unbalanced AF).

It would be a secret if the opposite was true. DUCY?

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10-29-2015 , 03:00 AM

#29

siebenacht

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,610

Lol, never fold KK.

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10-29-2015 , 03:25 AM

#30

GloryRising

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 503

I would stare at his 3b/4b/5b related stats for about 10 seconds whilst grimacing then hover over the fold button second guessing myself until eventually clicking and then staring at the ceiling shaking my head that I actually folded KK pre for the second time in my life.

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