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02-17-2019 , 09:32 PM
please provide your reasoning against this play. looking to hear opinions opposed to donking. thank you

GTECH G2 (Boss) - C$0.30 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG): 106.87 BB
MP: 45.47 BB (VPIP: 52.00, PFR: 2.00, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 52)
CO: 43.77 BB (VPIP: 21.73, PFR: 17.29, 3Bet Preflop: 7.78, Hands: 457)
BTN: 74.7 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
SB: 120.8 BB (VPIP: 28.27, PFR: 23.37, 3Bet Preflop: 5.92, Hands: 3,923)
BB: 108.4 BB (VPIP: 20.82, PFR: 18.03, 3Bet Preflop: 6.41, Hands: 619)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J Q

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (10 BB, 3 players) T 6 J
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 5 BB, SB calls 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Turn: (25 BB, 3 players) Q
SB checks, Hero bets 15 BB, BTN calls 15 BB, SB calls 15 BB
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02-17-2019 , 09:58 PM
Can you explain your cbetting strategy when you are checking TP after an open 3 handed?

If your gameplan is to check call the flop this hand makes a lot more sense to c/r the turn, you won't have too many better hands that are c/cing the flop outside of J9 and that is if we assume a very passive flop strategy where you hardly cbet outside of a set or flopped 2p.
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02-17-2019 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rumsey182
Can you explain your cbetting strategy when you are checking TP after an open 3 handed?
I cbet value hands and semi bluffs with equity to improve to beat hands that would call me. I lean towards checking those with higher potential to improve to better hands, and I tend to check the worst top pairs that I have (if I'm quick enough to consciously do this).

here, j9/JQ essentially the same hand to me. heads up, I cbet JQ. three way, I require stronger hand to cbet for value and so remove JQ in three handed pot as my "adjustment" for three handed pot (all above talk assuming this exact flop)

x/r the turn would be great if I could do it 100% of the time.
my opinion is that this button is shutting down frequently with the action he has received from two calls on the flop. hoping to check raise is nearly a fantasy with the strength of ranges being displayed from flop action. I believe donking is higher EV

Last edited by spewycmcd; 02-17-2019 at 10:09 PM.
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02-17-2019 , 10:09 PM
x flop pretty std.
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02-17-2019 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by spewycmcd
I cbet value hands and semi bluffs with equity to improve to beat hands that would call me. I lean towards checking those with higher potential to improve to better hands, and I tend to check the worst top pairs that I have (if I'm quick enough to consciously do this).

here, j9/JQ essentially the same hand to me. heads up, I cbet JQ. three way, I require stronger hand to cbet for value and so remove JQ in three handed pot as my "adjustment" for three handed pot (all above talk assuming this exact flop)

x/r the turn would be great if I could do it 100% of the time.
my opinion is that this button is shutting down frequently with the action he has received from two calls on the flop. hoping to check raise is nearly a fantasy with the strength of ranges being displayed from flop action. I believe donking is higher EV
I think you are on the right track with your reasoning for the flop check, but i think you are underrating how high up in your range this hand is OTF and I would argue this should very much be in your value range. I think you should be putting QX with a heart more into your checking range as you have good hand to have on a decent number of turns.

If you are mixing this hand as a lead and c/r some % of the time, I don't think there is an issue with that but I wouldn't lead 100% of the time. You will simply get them to fold a ton with way too good of a hand.

A lot of people seem to be unwilling to possibly let a card peel off if they are vulnerable to some run outs, but if you never c/r your good hands you never make money from the weaker parts of their range that would still stab.
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02-17-2019 , 10:23 PM
I just realized the stack depth, you would have a pot sized shove basically if he 2nd barreled a reasonable size since he start the hand short, makes a great spot to c/shove for value. If you are check calling a flop and basically hit your gin card you want an avenue to try and stack someone (speaking in generalities this texture isn't a slam dunk but you have a pretty solid candidate for it).
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02-18-2019 , 12:42 AM
wp, our numerous combos of AK would have smartened him up and plenty of hands to get value from that wont pay off river.
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02-18-2019 , 09:45 AM
I like it
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02-18-2019 , 03:53 PM
Flop seems standard. I wouldn't donk myself, but I don't mind the turn lead at all, as BTN wants to check back and take a free card quite often, and SB also has some draws. Check-calling also seems viable. Your AK combos should probably go for the check-raise though.
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