read Tommy Angelo's book. It definitely is.

edit: Quitting when you're not on your A game, when you're tilting etc.

yea tuneup utilities had a feature that let you do it from there. it helped a ton after defragging. ESPN videos actually play without being super choppy due to computer speed now. Thanks guys. this helps a ton.

I disagree, i think it is really quite important. Ppl just rag on him for it because they want to see continue to see the action. Metagame/game flow is so important so if you can quit when the metagame aspect is no longer +EV for you and you would be better off starting afresh another time it is obv a good skill to have. There isn't that much point in continuing to play when you can't make the metagame work to your advantage or may get a little tilty after a beat.

Being a sucessful player is more than just being able to own when playing your A game - its obv important to pick +EV spots (it should be obvious that given 2 different dynamics/flows you may be +EV vs a villain in one circumstance and neutral or -EV in another), control tilt, quit when you have no momentum at all (ie. be able to play your A game for as high a % of your total play as possible), bankroll management, etc.

I actually think this is probably one of FFs better atributes, as an aggro player like him who was liable to tilt and continue to play in a bad situation could tilt donk off so much money to a good player w/ little self control.

I know you've been around longer than me, but I think you have a very romanticized view of poker. A good way to measure a player's "skill" is his long term results, which is a combination of your definition of "skill (A-game)", tilt control, mental well-being, and yes, quitting when momentum is no longer in your favor.

Just because a player quits doesn't make him bad--if anything, it helps his long term results and thus makes him a "better" player than he would be if he keeps playing when it clearly isn't his night.

i just read this, and yea, this basically is spot on.

Not really. CS majors are programmers. Although you'd find a population of them who do not appreciate that title. We are not IT. Although many programmers are also good at IT, not all of us are. A lot of what makes someone good at IT is keeping up with new and emerging technologies.

But that being said, basic things like computer maintenence is something that 99% of people with a CS degree can do but 75% of us will tell you that we can't.

LOL

so true, sir

so true.



You work out your Vegas plans yet?

Jon Cage stay classy man always love the 200 bb win then insta quit

who is COCOMIEL

guy is always sitting an assload of hs tables

5 tables of 10/20
5 tables of 25/50 right now
100/200 also

The table max doesn't really matter if he's the only player at a given limit...

Anyone know anything about bapython on full tilt poker?

he sucks

I'm surprised at the lack of donkey1 screenshot tbh.

urindanger took fullflush for about $200K yesterday.. shocking

I think it's time for a second wave of emails about the NL and PL being grouped. Now who's with me?!

Shocking FF didn't quit after getting stacked the first time.

hu is getting dead

Granted I've only played 3 days this month I haven't had any problems getting action. It's been such for a while where you need to be on multiple sites to get regular 2k hand days etc... but it's far from dead.

On that note, I've been avoiding UB/AP for a long time just due to reputation and standards etc. How are the games on UB?

I'm not saying its not important. I think its very important to have tilt control. I think its also important to be able to tilt as little as possible. Its also important to be able to not tilt over severe beats and long sessions.

But the range, persay, of the best quitter/tiltless person in the world vs the worst is not even close to as distant as the best understander of theory in the world against the worst. One of these doesn't take nearly as much dedication, genius, discipline than the other. I'm not saying that the most intelligent poker player in the world could not be severely impeded by his quitting and tilting weaknesses, but i am saying whether or not someone is good at quitting or not isn't a very good indicator of whether they are the best in the world or not.

i.e someone could be great at not tilting/quitting at 2/4 6 max and not nearly be as good at theory or make as much money as a 25/50 6 max guy.

it's so sick, i am seriously thinking of quitting poker. 2 games in 2 days. and i was hit and run in both.

what stakes and sites, mate?

What stakes are you playing..

I can get action at 200nl but anything above that it is absolutly dead on Ap is unreal. Its like a road block, 200nl is great, but thats it. No regs ever play eachother, and there are no semi regs really.. Its either super fish or reg

Strongly disagree RedGrape. Sure the theory guy will know more, but will he get the most money? I've come basically full circle on this subject. Have realized that mental training, tilt control, concentration are incredibly important poker skills that most players don't bother to master. THere is also more to it than just tilt control. Tilt is so subtle and has many variations. The guy who thinks through every hand, day after day, week after week, year after year will have very few terrible downswings and just rakes in the money. Look at guys like PA/durr/benymine.

In general when it comes to making money, I think people overestimate important of theory, and vastly underestimate the psychological side.

I actually think understanding of theory is a bit overrated, and this is coming from a guy that does all kinds of crazy ****--the difficulty* of a concept almost cannot be related to how much money it makes. Funnily enough, sometimes the applications of some strong concepts can be even unprofitable (ex: playing against a player that incorrectly has c/c ranges in some spots/incorrect ranges in general). Yeah durrr's bluff w/ QT was sick etc, but is he really making all that much from it? Does it really have ANY practical application? Arguably the accumulation of doing **** like that constantly results in a substantial difference in winrate, but often applying theory in case scenarios where multiple ambiguous, qualitative variables are involved can quite easily result in making a mistake and not necessarily a small one.

Conversely, the importance of quitting when it's correct to, in spite of being fundamentally simple, has drastic effects. I think I serve as an example for this--in my career I've tend to have multiple winning days, but particularly awful losing days (-19 BI day during 5/10 a couple months ago, -18 BI recently at 25/50... I haven't had winning close to these). This almost has to imply that I've exacerbated the scenarios on my losing days (I hate quitting when stuck)...

*I'd hardly call anything in poker even close to more difficult than the vast majority of **** in advanced science, for ex; I would guess anyone with a mediocre intelligence would be able to understand any poker concept... Then again understanding doesn't seem to be largely indicative of, albeit correlated to, intelligence, but rather more directly related to state of mind.

I've actually found it ******edly difficult to get action at 5/10-10/20 on FT of late by like virtually EVERYONE... Ironically random idiots seem more frequent at 25/50 (annoying that they always seem to beat me there >_<)