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Is this extreme of a swing common? Is this extreme of a swing common?

10-30-2010 , 01:24 AM
Spewing is easy. Spew less, print money. It's one of my big leaks too. Also, like has been posted itt - runbad happens to everyone. So does rungood, you just have to play through it and try not to control your tilt
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10-30-2010 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Its Sick
I just don't get it, takes me 15k hands to make $550, but 1.5k to lose it all. If that's the ratio then how am i ever supposed build a roll
The same way you built it up to be playing 50nl. Take a break, drop down and correct your game, get a coach, play fewer tables...whatever. Just don't try to brute force your way through a horrible downswing.

Here's one I had back in April/May @ 25nl. This is what happens when you try to force your way through it.

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10-30-2010 , 01:36 AM
I recently lost 10 BIs over around 2k hands, so yeah super standard. And I'm on a 25k hand BE stretch. **** happens. It sucks. The real challenge is not letting it effect your game.
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10-30-2010 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkDonkDonkDonk
I don't quite get what you mean.

OP don't be surprised if you play any amount volume to be experiencing 20+bi downswings and loooooong BE stretches, they are all part of the game.
figured this out this month.

Yeah get used to it OP. It sucks. This is the exact reason I will never want poker to be my only source of income. I think breakeven stretches screw with me more than downswings. I just start laughing because it's so ridiculous when you hit a downswing. But breakeven stretches, give you a glimpse of hope that you might have some run good coming.....then it kicks you in the crotch.

I like a stop loss too. So I just stop playing for at least a few hours maybe even the the day and just go back at it clear. Also, read the BBV thread in this forum, it might make you feel better that the same exact crap happens to everyone.
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10-30-2010 , 01:43 AM
To make you feel better here is January and February for me.

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10-30-2010 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkDonkDonkDonk
To make you feel better here is January and February for me.

lol that looks like my graph right now. except I think I'm only running about 8 BI under AIEV.
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10-30-2010 , 01:48 AM
For all of you saying you've been through similar or worse; does it seem like the game actually has a grudge against you during the swing?

I actually feel a little insane after some of this ****
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10-30-2010 , 01:51 AM
Of course, you just gotta keep believing and playing as well as you can.
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10-30-2010 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkDonkDonkDonk
Of course, you just gotta keep believing and playing as well as you can.
Respect.

In regards to your graph, how do you manage to keep going after that. This swing has beaten my will to the ground. Every time i think it's over something that i'd normally experience once every 5k hands will happen and just crush my soul.

Knowing that i have to spend another 15k+ hands just to get back to where i was is mind blowing.
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10-30-2010 , 02:03 AM
i have a -10 bi day once a week and each time it feels like the sky is falling... until i have my weekly +10bi day
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10-30-2010 , 02:03 AM
Forget what went before and where you were before. Think about now, making the best play in all situations, and trying to win money.
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10-30-2010 , 02:09 AM
eh imo 15k hands isn't that much. thats like 15 hours of play time. wait until you go on a 150k BE stretch
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10-30-2010 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by realestate
eh imo 15k hands isn't that much. thats like 15 hours of play time. wait until you go on a 150k BE stretch
I 6 table so it's a loooooot more for me.
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10-30-2010 , 02:43 AM
hey man poker is tough man.

currently breakeven at the 50 for my last 70k hands. and i've played 80k hands @ 50nl total. it's fairly brutal, i'll admit that, but blaming it on "running bad" and "getting unlucky" is just a load of crap imo. im the first to admit that my game has more leaks than the titanic - and more often that not it's really just you playing bad and making lots and lots of small mistakes rather than 1 big pot where you lose 100bb AA<KK. you have to realise that you're nowhere near as good as you think you are, and only then can you start to break the downswing.

you can't change your poker luck - you have no control on how the cards fall. what you can change is how well you play at the tables and how you think about the game. improvement is the best way to break that motherfvcker.
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10-30-2010 , 02:48 AM
poasting garph to confirm

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10-30-2010 , 02:52 AM
9-10 buy in swings are so common bruv, especially if your mass tabling seeing thousands of hands a day and worse if your playing 6max and even worse if your playing lag haha... all in all play your best game always, dont tilt and use proper brm & you should be fine, i personally am not okay with 20 buy ins for a limit i need a min of 25 or 30, im comfortable when i have like 50+
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10-30-2010 , 03:15 AM
Swings like this are going to happen from time to time, pretty standard.
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10-30-2010 , 03:33 AM
this is just my opinion, but at the micros, if youre having a 10+ buyin downswing, half the reason is probably because you have a ton of leaks/tilt.

most of the "downswings" ive encountered was because of massive tilt/spew. sure you can have mid set and villain has top set, but did this really happen 10+times?

also AIEV isn't everything, but if its constantly taking a nose dive, you should really try to plug some leaks

and of couse use your rb on a coach
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10-30-2010 , 03:47 AM
It gets A LOT WORSE. It's something you have to learn to deal with, and if you don't downswing 10BI's at least a few times every 100k hands then congrats because you have solved hold em. I've gone on 35-40 buy-ion downers before, 250k breakeven, etc. Just gotta learn to deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Its Sick
SO I ****ING MOVED DOWN TO 25NL TO RECOUP AND LOOK AT THIS LITTLE GIFT A FEW HANDS INTO THE SESSION

Brb burning a kitten alive in the center of a pentagram

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

Hero (Button) ($27.93)
SB ($33.52)
BB ($9.41)
UTG ($20.44)
UTG+1 ($11.93)
MP1 ($2.90)
MP2 ($5.27)
MP3 ($33.17)
CO ($25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
4 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, CO (poster) checks, Hero bets $1.25, SB calls $1.15, 1 fold, MP3 calls $1, 1 fold

Flop: ($4.25) J, 7, 3 (3 players)
SB checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($4.25) 6 (3 players)
SB bets $2.25, MP3 calls $2.25, Hero raises $6, 1 fold, MP3 calls $3.75

River: ($18.50) 4 (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $18.50

Results:
Hero had J, J (three of a kind, Jacks).
MP3 had 5, 9 (flush, nine high).
Outcome: MP3 won $17.60
Also, never check this flop 3way, raise way more on turn, and you should be valuebetting river.
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10-30-2010 , 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by noidea555
It gets A LOT WORSE. It's something you have to learn to deal with, and if you don't downswing 10BI's at least a few times every 100k hands then congrats because you have solved hold em. I've gone on 35-40 buy-ion downers before, 250k breakeven, etc. Just gotta learn to deal with it.

Also, never check this flop 3way, raise way more on turn, and you should be valuebetting river.
I don't get it tho, i've never gone +10BI over 2k hands or so, why does it seem like every downswing is like jumping off a highdive but when you're winning it's like walking on an inclined treadmil at 5mph. It just seems insane that it took me an entire month to get to where i was then i lost it all in 2k hands (ended up losing 60 more since making this thread. will post HHs if you think it was tilt).

I feel sick and almost want to just throw away the hundreds of hours i've invested studying/playing and just stop playing.

I used to love this game. Every day i would look forward to coming home and reading a COTW over a cup of coffee then grindin out some hands. Now i just feel sick... seriously wish i could just throw up.
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10-30-2010 , 04:01 AM
cuz FR is a super precise game. its a game where its a PITA to make money, but incredibly easy to burn it on fire.
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10-30-2010 , 05:04 AM
9BIs isn't even a swing ffs.
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10-30-2010 , 05:53 AM
lol

Basically, a 9BI downswing is nothing strange OP... Sure it sucks, especially the first time it happens. But you better get used to it

One way to look at it is that apparently you're not yet (mentally) ready for 50NL. If a swing like this effects you so much, move down a bit where you're more comfortable and loosing a few BI doesn't upset you as much.

At a 100k hands break even stretch (with a few downswings in between, one of my favorits a 14BI downswing in 2k hands... ). It sucks but hey, it happens (and I've seen a LOT worse).

Just don't make it influence your play, and if it does then quit for a while or move down where it doesn't hurt your bankroll as much.
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10-30-2010 , 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ach ja
9BIs isn't even a swing ffs.


OP you will either get used to this or have to quit poker... one or the other

As other posters have explained just make sure to always play for an amount of money you are comfortable and set stop losses when you shot take

Last edited by pokerarb; 10-30-2010 at 06:41 AM.
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10-30-2010 , 06:42 AM
Just take looooooong break now. Go to the gym/chill more with your friends blabla. Your mindset is def not correct right now. You will only end up tilting and spewing more money when you play. Also, by looking at that HH you clearly forgot how to valuebet. Just an example how this swing f*cks with your brain..soo take A BREAK.

And don't think about the swing...your wasting your energy by doing that...you have no control over it so just accept it. Try to see this downsing as a lesson, as a hint: if you get through this you are a step closer to begin 'tilt immune', and if I'm correct you are FORCED to work more on your game now.

Focus on improving your game instead of the downsing. Post hands where you have problems with and THINK about every spot where you are doubting whats the best action to take.
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