This hand show key problem in your game - your problem is not you have bad run and lose pots, get coolers etc. You play terrible and dont make value. And when you dont Vbets you strong hands, dont wins maximum BBs as possible, you cant hold against dark side of variance. Thats all.
10BI is standart, full ring have small winrates => possible larger swings/BE. Just play better, play more, dont tilt, and it will turn back.

Just woke up this morning crabby after a -8BI night. These are the pep talks I needed today. Thanks for making me feel a bit better. Think positive, make good decisions and keep chugging...

In the words of Spongebob, "Iiiiiiiiii'm Ready!"

dont have my graph here at work, but my in my first 50k hands i never swung down more than prob 7-8bi. then bam a 20bi or so downer. it happens. its standard. part evolving as a player is learning to deal with the variance. a 10bi downer making you sick to your stomach tells me you that you don't have very realistic expectations.

this one exactly.... :-)

this is not a cooler or anything like that....you just played the hand horrible post flop and got what you deserved....just stop trying to play tricky at the micros...it won't work. this is like those idiots that min3bet AA pre and then pot flop and wonder why they either win a small pot or get stacked 100bb.

lost 5 bi tonight omgah

I had bigger swings than this yesterday. And that JJ hand makes me want to cry. ZOMG it's a tarp.

How the hell does anyone play 6 tables of full ring? What do you do to keep awake, watch two movies and cook dinner at the same time?

I only 9 table tbh. It's not that bad.

Since you only play a few tables as I do, and you are using a 20BI roll, then standard BRM is to move down if you lose 5-6 BI's (not half your roll). So you weren't using standard BRM for a 20BI roll, and you probably tilt off way more than you think. If you are to the point of having to break some expensive headphones when you quit then yes, you were on tilt for awhile before reaching that point. Tilt doesn't go from zero to off the charts suddenly.

By the way the 20BI BR thing comes from years ago before people really multi-tabled. Nowadays people who mass-table use 50-100 BI's. I play 4-5 tables and use ~30BI's.

Garon

I read and post on 2+2 to keep awake, ldo

Garon

Isn't that because your computer sucks? I can kind of imagine 9, but 6 is a whole different prospect. I guess you tile. If I played that few stacking I'd just be randomly clicking stuff on the second monitor and just get totally distracted.

Yeah my computer is a pile of poo. I need a new lappy.

OP: Play some PLO for true soul-crushing swings.

To Logic: I get tons of reads that people who mass-table just can't see because they aren't there to see them. I take loads of notes, for example if villain shoves on me I know exactly how many times he has shoved this session and what his hands were on shoved pots and exactly how he played each one of them. Someone playing 24 tables may not have even seen villain shove once and now he's in a dilemma. I see so many threads giving some basic stats on villain followed by "no reads". I know everything that happens at every table of mine for every hand and have multiple notes on lots of people. All of that takes up my time so it isn't so boring. Of course my hourly isn't near as much as someone who mass-tables.

Garon

This, seriously if you're tilted when you lose 9 buy-ins it probably means you're not going to be comfortable making high-variance plays that are +ev which means that you'll have a worse winrate which means, wait for it, worse downswings. All a vicious cycle yo.

But seriously most regs have had 30 buy-in downswings in their careers, so if you can't handle 9 that's first thing to work on. Being results-oriented is not good as hard as it is to get away from.

10-15 buyin downswings are not that uncommon. They suck when they happen but you're going to have to get used to it.

Let me show you an actual 50NL downswing:



35 bi downswing. If 9 bi is going to set you off wait until this happens to you.

i feel so better about my game right now!

not for you op i am thought the same situation as you are, and i was depressed also.

time to grind IMO

I don't disagree with what you say; however, a few assorted general thoughts:

- people playing 24 tables with a very marginal win rate is very stupid. It stunts their growth and their possibility of developing a very good hourly. The game progresses, but they don't.
- however, I also thinks it's a leak at full ring to not be able to multi-table (I'm thinking 10-16) effectively. Following all the action closely is a great way to learn in general, but in terms of improving your game it would be much more effective at HU or 6-max, where people are forced to play more marginal holdings and get in tougher spots. Many FR players at low stakes do very little that's interesting or worth studying in too much detail. IMO the appeal of FR is partly that you can brute force your way to a decent amount of cash; i.e. even at 50nl you can grind out $50 an hour or so.
- playing say 14-16 tables, which is my preference, doesn't mean you can't make notes and develop reads. I often pull tables out the stack and check big hands, make notes on non-standard things, etc. You can do plenty of work in HEM away from the tables. Sure, it's no substitute for closely following the action, but it's definitely not pure HUD-botting.

I guess in conclusion I think it's good to strike a balance, and also be able to switch up and down the number of tables you play as mood dictates. It's good to be able to simultaneously progress your game, but also progress your bankroll sufficiently that you can feel comfortable moving up, etc. I suspect that the best players at full ring strike this balance.

I wish I could play more tables, seems like every time I try my graph plummets into Hades.

I agree with all your points, and I'll keep trying every so often to add more tables! Maybe one day I'll get there.

Garon

OP post some hands maybe some of us can spot something.

http://www.evplusplus.com/poker_tool...nce_simulator/

25 actually

Since the spirit of this forum is to aid our fellow player who takes the time to interact in some fashion to be able to reach their potential and to try to discover something we are all missing, what are we all procrastinating about but not doing? What I mean is it "appears" due to growth of the site or willingness of micro players to interact that many more players are experiencing huge BE stretches than in the past. 70k BE stretch, 150k BE stretch, what are we all doing(or not doing) to create this?

I'm just of the mentality that we have to tell ourselves this is standard or going to happen to be able to play. But is it? 10 years ago playing 10,000 hands in a week was considered epic, now players exceed that per day. Even though the long run is a really long time, players are playing more hands then players of generations past.

Apologies for the long-winded babble,

cliffnotes: Why does it appear the more we learn the more breakeven we become?

because games get toughter, we try moves that fail etc

Poker has become tougher, technology is better allowing people to play more hands etc.

you say that this is "barely from tilt" all these things you posted clearly show you're on tilt.

tilt is anything where you're playing less than your A game.

I would recommend doing some study on tilt control... tommyangelo.com/ or his series on DC, the Eightfold path to poker enlightenment.
The Poker Mindset is also widely talked about, although I haven't personally read it myself.