HUNL forum gets more and more entertaining nowadays. I LOL'ed so hard.

I say sites should abolish all other form of poker except HU..

wait.. leave the 2nl game alone, so I can shove allin there when on tilt, all other games are just killing the action of HU.

i only browsed this thread, so sorry if this already was suggested but...


it seems to me that making heads up cash in a rush poker format would solve the problem.

yea, and would only completely ruin the fun of heads up poker. take out the psychology and the meta-game and you have just turned hu into the snooze fest that is 6m.

Eh. Only if you played like 50 hands before being switched and had to sit out for a while if you you decided you didn't like the guy you were matched with.

you guys just got leveled

Good post.

Surely for "Rush HU" you'd have smaller player pools (eg 12?) per "table" so that you'd still have to play with a range of players, but there'd be few enough that you'd still have psychology/meta-game/reads?

I agree with the first part. My argument though is that this factor does not outweigh rake factors. HU games would not dissapear, they would simply take place at 6max or 9max tables. Durrr challenge type stuff is a private HU game that I think should be part of the solution.

"As for your arguments towards why the rest of poker should support it, they hold for banning any single form of poker pretty much."

I agree, my argument of why the rest of poker should support it holds true for banning any single form of poker, but I was just trying to appeal to the self interest of everyone else who wouldn't normally really care.

I don't think you are arguing that my arguments to abolish HU could apply to any single form of poker, but just incase you are let me clarify. I wouldn't argue from a sites perspective to abolish 6 max cash because it creates so much rake. Sites would never abolish 6max cash because they create a lot of rake, they would be throwing away money. Any reasoning someone would want to abolish 6 max cash would be totally illogical. This applies to most any form of poker besides HU cash.

Yeah, as Raze noted, this is ridiculous and lolwrong.

Sweet essay. Did you cross post this with your Econ class?

Seriously though, you want HU players to support the abolition of HU tables?

This is silly. Poker players are selfish. I support good etiquette, not hit n running, not only bumhunting etc but this is silly. I want HU cuz I want to win money and I like HU.

No. Rake comes from losing players. If grinders aren't profiting, they won't grind anymore and so they won't pay rake. When they do profit, it's only because the fish have lost.

The rake isn't some sort of tax on your winrate - it comes from the losses of the fish.

If you replace take two grinders off a table with two grinders and four fish, the fish will keep playing and paying rake. The money may actually be passed around for a longer period, allowing the site to collect more rake without a grinder to whom they only ever have to pay cashouts.

If you take the four fish off the table, the two grinders aren't going to play each other.

Why would you post this in the HU forum?

That's like going to a party school and saying sex outside of marriage is immoral so this campus is officially abstinent.

Would theoretically be better for society, but who would get on board with you?

Obviously action at hu does not translate directly to action in other places, ie, a player that plays hu will not necessarily spend the equivalent amount of time at 6max or w/e. Therefore, it is not a necessary implication that, given a site gets the same amount of traffic irregardless of hu cash existing, hu cash detriments a site's net income.

I've been able to get action fairly consistently across 3 sites including plo, the games aren't quite in that bad of a state (i also play 6max etc too though). I've wanted a rematch with you for some time now mirttinur

im with this guy, obviously hu players LOSE MONEY by supporting this :S

HU games are by far raked the highest you idiot

we live in a free market society. some poker sites are even listed on stock exchanges.
demand for hu cash => offer of hu cash

/insane thread

anonymous heads up one time and that will fix everything if they also fix lobby

There are tons of non-profit grinders out there.

clearly it is in the sites incentive for players to only play limit game as they are the ones that see the most streets and take the longest in general to play out. they don't inforce this because they want to cater for the regs and fish out there who want to play different forms of poker. HU is an intergral part of the different forms of poker and although in relation to 6max they are less profitable for sites, 6max in turn is less profitable compared to full ring. It is just the circle of life. What we are talking about is never going to happen in real life. Sites won't ban or impliment big changes in HU because they are at competition with other sites and by stopping people to play it they will just drive these player to their competitors.

what i suggest is for the regs on every site to police it. to regulate it so regs only sit at maximum 5 tables, don't sit out for more then 20 minutes etc. for the amount of regs that play HU and complain about the current situation we can sort it out if we get organised and agree on a consensus of standardised issues.

Please, OP, tell me more about how Pokerstars can make more money off of me. Let's not stop at abolishing the lowest-rake forms of poker- is there some way I could mail them money directly? That would be really profitable for poker sites!

I really don't get this.

The sites make money from people playing poker. Doesn't matter if it's 6max, full ring, heads up, PLO or NL Badugi, if hands get played, they take a rake. Maybe HU makes a bit less for the sites than the rest, but so what? A supermarket won't suddenly stop selling vegetables because their margin on vegetables happens to be a bit less than their margin on everything else they sell, will they? Obviously if they made most profit selling Marmite, then they'd prefer it if the only thing anyone ever wanted to buy was Marmite, but obviously it doesn't work like that.

As for making people go broke quicker or taking money away from the other games, deal with it! Just cause you may not want to play heads up, doesn't mean other people can't take advantage of the fish there. HU traffic is actually pretty small compared to 6max and FR anyways.