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04-01-2014 , 01:26 AM
Just started playing 3 handed. V opened most of his buttons when folded to and so far has called 3/4 of my 3bets and has folded to my cbets on the flop. He's been playing farely tight though.

V ~240bb deep on button
Hero ~120bb in the SB with QhQx

Villain opens for pot (.85)
Hero re raises to $3. Villain flats.
Flop Kh10h3x.
Hero checks, villain checks.
Turn 4h.
Hero bets 3.75, V calls.
River 7x
Hero checks
V bets 6.50.
Hero all in for 21.5


I cbet this flop about 90% of the time but decided not to this time with villain's 3bet calling range seeming so wide. Maybe I'm wrong? When turn hits I'm betting for value. When V calls I put him on tens or a heart draw. When the river bricked I check to induce a bluff from missed hearts. Maybe I should bet/Fold bet/call.
I'm pretty sure i just ****ed this hand up super bad. Thoughts?

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04-01-2014 , 01:30 AM
Why are you jamming? Is it as a bluff or as value? Is he going to fold Kx here?

3bet pre is fine
id cbet the flop, when you check here are you calling a bet?
turn as played I think the bet is good, we can get value from 10s and Ah like you said + we have outs for a decent hand too (although it has bad reverse implied odds)
river... why are we jamming? Is he the type of player that is going to bluff a river like this as played? If not then his range is probably Kx, can he do it with JJ? I think jamming here is pretty bad and I'm not sure what we rep
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04-01-2014 , 01:50 AM
The jam was for value, which I admit is pretty horrible. But as for the flop play I was for sure calling a bet. I don't think I'm going to ever get called by worse or get better to fold (a king). Do you think I should bet, bet, bet/Fold. Or bet, bet, check/call. Or bet, bet, check/Fold

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04-01-2014 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyTheShark
The jam was for value, which I admit is pretty horrible. But as for the flop play I was for sure calling a bet. I don't think I'm going to ever get called by worse or get better to fold (a king). Do you think I should bet, bet, bet/Fold. Or bet, bet, check/call. Or bet, bet, check/Fold

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Depends on reads I guess.

3way I think check/call OTF, we keep his range wide and get value from bets as I would think most villains will raise this flop when checked to with a big part of their range

Bet OTT once he checks OTF I put his range on some weak pairs/weak draws, I think most villains will be betting their flush draws and top pairs and checking their low pocket pairs

OTR when we check I think he can bet here with pretty much anything, so I'm going to call

I base all of this off experience, but with more reads and info you can definitely play it differently

(so what you did)

But OTR, I'm calling, and think folding could be close depending on how aggressive/passive villain is post flop. Shoving is really bad and I can't see worse calling. I do think we might fold out some Kx with our shove but check, bet, check-raise looks pretty weak.
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06-27-2014 , 08:32 AM
(Disclaimer: I'm a 25nl player trying to improve... So take this all with a salt shaker. I'd love to hear what he had tho)

I think played like this river is a call. He's going to see how this played out as weak, and figure firing 6.50 will get you off most weak hands. I don't rally know what he can call with that you beat unless there's some history.

Checking the flop gives Villian a chance to bet with weaker hands, but you had said he folded to a lot of c bets after calling 3 bets. I would be firing here as a default, there's the straight and flush draw.
If he's calling your 3 bet a lot I think by checking to him post flop your encouraging it, and by firing the flop your saying I 3 bet and then I hit.

The turn is a bummer for sure, by hitting hearts, but u have the Q. If checking the flop I like the turn bet. I see a lot of people check flop bet turn with second pair and pps. For the most part if he raises I think were beat, by a flush or kt or maybe some set? He calls and says either 1) I have showdown worthy hand, or 2) I can call and attack river.
If he has value and didn't bet flop and just calls turn I'd guess it was like A/q/j/9 ten
Or bluffs of missed straights, flush draw, random two, I'd think flushes that hit would raise, or hope to call and have u bet again on river

River
You check a blank and it looks weak. There 13.25 in pot (I think)
So to him, the seven didn't scare you, prolly didn't help him any, so if he's floating turn to attack river that's perfect, or if he didn't hit his draws and u check he can still try to win a decent pot that you seem to have backed off of. I'd ttorres99@hotmail.combe pretty suprised if he was betting his tens here, why would he? He's just as scared
. His flush he's here to get paid, and I don't think he has that much
His complete air sometimes bets sometimes checks- I'd think more likely to bet just cause otherwise he assumes he's giving you money and you seemed weak
His tens check behind.

I would think his flush bets the flop a pretty decent amount of the time, seems to be what the norm is.
So he's usually got a busted draw or air here I'd guess, and shoving will only pay off his flush, or weird set
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06-27-2014 , 08:38 AM
^ You might wanna delete your email address from your post
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06-27-2014 , 07:16 PM
Haha damn it
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06-27-2014 , 07:27 PM
Or maybe it's a subliminal message and now we're all under the control of ttorres99
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06-27-2014 , 07:38 PM
How do I edit it?
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