PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 109.6 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 20.63, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 64)
BB: 103.88 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: 78.16 BB (VPIP: 25.84, PFR: 13.48, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, Hands: 91)
Hero (MP): 240.68 BB
CO: 115.68 BB (VPIP: 32.65, PFR: 12.24, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 49)
BTN: 141.72 BB (VPIP: 88.46, PFR: 46.15, 3Bet Preflop: 23.08, Hands: 26)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K A

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO raises to 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB, fold, fold, Hero ???

Both of these people rather very suspect stats, but I would start with a call and go from there.

Think I'd 4bet-squeeze to isolate the fishy on the button and then spew my stack off on any runout.

Sizing?

Maybe like 30bbs. If CO 5bets I'd snap fold. Hoping for CO to fold and BTN to call so we can bet bet bet and win with Ahi vs his junk. If both CO and BTN call probably have to proceed a little more cautiously.

You snap fold if CO 5bets? That is not a good play my friend, if you 4bet here you go all in.

BTN is 88-46: hand range isn't even in play, just some extra $ to sweeten the pot. Hopefully he calls 4bet.

I don't think shoving is a bad play. We take 21BB quite a bit I think and if we get a caller AK is going to do alright for equity.

I 4bet squeeze for value vs bad range. He never 5bet shove in this spot with anything less than KK+ and therefore AK is snap fold. AK only has 18% equity vs his 5bet range.

Aren't you playing your range vs his range rather than one specific hand ? if you 4bet call QQ+ AK your range has 30% equity vs KK+ and we also expect the c/o 3bet to be very bluff heavy so we have a ton of fold equity and a lot of dead money in the pot. We should also expect people to continue wider than KK+ when we 4bet maybe ? Vs unknowns in the micros surely its a 4bet ggi spot if we need to especially oop , ip i'm all for calling more and playing posflop.

Don't be such a nit. You have 50 hands on him.

I think people have issues with hands like QQ AK because 3bet and 4bet ranges are just so random in the micros. Most people aren't 3beting or 4beting with any regularity and rather 3betting and 4betting when the mood takes them.

If your 3betting Sporadically and have as most do in the micros a non existent 4bet game then you shouldn't be surprised when you get it in and see KK+ all the time vs the regs.

3bet and 4bet ranges are very important and you need to work out some balanced ranges to be doing it with. Once you step up your frequencies and get more aggressive the more likely you are to get played back at and payed off when you do have a premium hand.

All i can say is work on some default ranges and build a solid foundation to play from. I'm only a micro stakes player myself so this is the best and probably basic advise i can give , its worked for me thus far.

We raise, get 3b, the 3b is called, we 4bet, get 5bet so we fold. This is not a normal 4bet/5bet situation. We are 4betting vs two not just one. We have a very strong perceived range of KK+ and maybe AKs, so if he shoves we are beat. Simple as that. You can talk range vs range and how nitty this is all you want but we don't have to 4bet calloff in this particular spot. We are 4betting for value hoping to get called by fish. But when we are raised we fold.

You can't make strong assumptions about a 32/12 other than he's calling too often. Assuming that a bad player like that is going to put you on AKs, KK+ and therefore only 5bet shoving AA/KK is pretty ridiculous. 4betting to 30bbs and folding to a shove from a bad player would be a pretty huge mistake.

If he were perceptive enough to appropriately range us he should also know we're 4-betting that huge fish on the button wider than usual. And that's a big if.

4bet folding this hand would be a huge ****ing mistake.

I really don't like calling off stacks against a player who I haven't even seen a single 3B pot with. I think his low PFR indicates that he probably is a fairly tight 3B though it's very hard to judge how tight. You're also deep so the value of AKo is slightly less in this situation. Either way I think the pot odds would be such that if you 4B you would have to call a shove.

However I think just flatcalling the 3B is reasonable in this situation against a bad player and a whale. You're getting good enough odds to play fit or fold, and if you do hit an A or K you're likely to get a lot of value out of the whale.

Why is that?

I think co range in that specific spot should not contain too many bluffs unless he has been completely ignorant of the funky guy next to him. So basically he will always have a (slightly wider) linear range for a 3bet there.
So I would go ahead an 4bet. I do not think he will risk loosing the fish unless he assumes he has a pretty decent EV for a 5bet shove against us. Does that make sense?

I think it's making a lot of assumptions about a 32/12 we have 50 hands on.

you make a lot of money with AK times people fold to your 4b, being 5b not end of world. way more +EV 4betting here ainec.

Is flatting the 3b pre that bad? Can we not just play fit or fold since its 3way?

there's dead money in pot too, if you were determined to flat id rather do it with AKs

@cardbrute stop posting here and update your PGC ASAP. Curious were you are atm.

may just have to do that

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 109.6 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 20.63, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 64)
BB: 103.88 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: 78.16 BB (VPIP: 25.84, PFR: 13.48, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, Hands: 91)
Hero (MP): 240.68 BB
CO: 115.68 BB (VPIP: 32.65, PFR: 12.24, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 49)
BTN: 141.72 BB (VPIP: 88.46, PFR: 46.15, 3Bet Preflop: 23.08, Hands: 26)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K A

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO raises to 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 30.24 BB, CO calls 21.24 BB, fold

Flop: (70.88 BB, 2 players) 6 9 J
Hero ???

85bb behind

4b 28-32bb or call both ok, esp if you think fish might fold to 4b or if co 3b range is v strong here or something

x flop w/ most of ur range as played

Why 4b so big? I thought 4bets are usually between 2-2.5x Some other things might factor into sizing like fish stack depth etc.. Or have I missed something about this hand?