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08-22-2017 , 05:41 PM

Edgy Bra

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Spew?

Im basically at the top of my range here i assume getting all the money 100bb can't be too bad. Maybe a little thin?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 128 BB
SB: 106.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
Hero (BB): 105.4 BB
UTG: 157.2 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.4 BB, 2 players) T

Hero checks, BTN bets 2 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, BTN calls 6 BB

Turn: (22.4 BB, 2 players) 4

Hero bets 19 BB, BTN calls 19 BB

River: (60.4 BB, 2 players) Q

Hero bets 75.4 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 75.4 BB

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08-22-2017 , 05:50 PM

.isolated

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Definitely thin. Check/fold river for sure.

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08-22-2017 , 05:54 PM

datacedoe

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Originally Posted by .isolated

Definitely thin. Check/fold river for sure.

+3.50

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08-22-2017 , 10:04 PM

Brokenstars

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I'd probably call flop, rest is fine.

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08-23-2017 , 05:21 AM

ZKesic

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars

I'd probably call flop, rest is fine.

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08-23-2017 , 05:49 AM

YouBetIcall

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Originally Posted by .isolated

Definitely thin. Check/fold river for sure.

this is way to nitty, if you can't valubet this hand OTR, you are not constructing your range good, probably not bluffing enough. But even with this being said, I don't like river sizing since we are narrowing villain range way to much. much better to bet smaller

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08-23-2017 , 05:57 AM

Yadoula8

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars

I'd probably call flop, rest is fine.

No its not. You cant play hands like this OOP without the initiative.

You need to raise pre-flop. Or just fold.

If you cant see a clear line to make yourself profit in those games just fold. It is easy to win in the micros. But you want to be sure to avoid playing hands which are destined to lose.

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08-23-2017 , 06:36 AM

YouBetIcall

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Originally Posted by Yadoula8

I'd just skip this post, I disagree with everything you wrote, but this is me, anyone can decide what is good for them and what is not

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08-23-2017 , 06:44 AM

Yadoula8

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How much u make YouBetICall? Brokenstars?

Last edited by udbrky; 08-23-2017 at 12:39 PM.

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08-23-2017 , 09:51 AM

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benzema1995

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I am folding this hand preflop against a 3bb open without any special read OOP.

As played: I like Check/Raising this flop, his sizing just looks very weak, and we might get fold some big pockets like KK/QQ/JJ by barrowling flop and turn and might even improve an additional straight draw OTT.

I really like the way it is played postflop except the river, I am betting for sure too but with a more "steady" sizing like 60-70% pot, i just have the feeling on these stakes a fish might actually be scared seing you "All In" except betting with a solid sizing again (and fold an A for example).

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08-23-2017 , 01:49 PM

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ALongmuir

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imo if you're asking if this is too thin, you probably shouldn't be calling Q2s preflop vs 3x here.

Flop can go either way. Seems like if we are always raising Q2s, we are raising too many of our FDs for how much value we have here otf. Overall though, hand is wp.

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08-23-2017 , 02:23 PM

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Edgy Bra

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I personally don't think its that thin at all was curious what other people thought as I could be completely wrong though.

Not sure about anyone else but this seems like a mandatory defend from the BB no?

Dont 100% agree with the comment about raise or fold only pre flop, I guess thats an ok strategy to have if you're terrible at playing post flop.

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08-23-2017 , 06:58 PM

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pontylad

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I would 3 bet pre flop but flatting is probably still slightly +ev.

In regards to river it seems an obvious jam, even more so if you're check calling your AcXc hands on flop. There are some players that I would make an exploitative check/call or check/fold vs but seeing as there are no stats then just revert to general population tendencies.

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Originally Posted by YouBetIcall

this is way to nitty, if you can't valubet this hand OTR, you are not constructing your range good, probably not bluffing enough.

This is half right and half incorrect. It is nitty to check but you don't construct your value range from the number of bluffs you want. You do it the other way around.

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08-23-2017 , 07:26 PM

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whitemares

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I think this is fine, but if you're calling this wide preflop, you should probably have enough worse combos to check/raise the flop that you can call.

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Originally Posted by Yadoula8

Did you have any reasoning to back up your assertion? Quite frankly, this hand can and should be profitable to either call or 3bet provided you have adequate postflop skill (which shouldn't be terribly difficult to achieve in 5nlz).

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08-23-2017 , 08:54 PM

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simplelessons

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Well played. Q2s is fine vs steal range. Flop is fine too, we can fold his non-ace pairs and king highs. Turn could have been a little bigger to get a slightly better spr on the river but we got stacks in anyway.

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08-24-2017 , 06:43 AM

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jjm442

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Originally Posted by YouBetIcall

I'd just skip this post, I disagree with everything you wrote, but this is me, anyone can decide what is good for them and what is not

Not everything but mostly disagree with him

I can see arguments for a raise pre flop to take the initiative and because balance does not really matter here at stakes and especially with zoom but call seems OK

I'd call on the flop - small bet from V but what would you have done if he re-raised?

Turn I'd size it slightly smaller so it makes a TPGK type hand call

River, perfect card, GTO play

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08-24-2017 , 06:47 AM

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Johnny600

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Fold pre

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08-24-2017 , 06:55 AM

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YouBetIcall

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Originally Posted by pontylad

This is half right and half incorrect. It is nitty to check but you don't construct your value range from the number of bluffs you want. You do it the other way around.

I didn't said that, but my english is not that good so I can see that it might not be clear, what I was saying is that my guess would be that hes ratio of valuebets/bluffs is not good and he most likely doesn't have enough bluffs, so villain can overfold and make this shove bad, while if he puts enough of his bluff in his range, it will make this hand ok to bet

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