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5nl 3betting agro MP opener from SB with AQs, floped TP and a nut flushdraw, eff stack 149 bb

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06-10-2015 , 04:08 PM

DatoGio

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 150.4 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 16.36, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 57)
UTG: 149.8 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: 81 BB (VPIP: 27.97, PFR: 24.58, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 121)
BTN: 39.8 BB (VPIP: 41.10, PFR: 16.44, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 77)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, UTG calls 7 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero checks, UTG bets 20 BB, Hero calls 20 BB

Turn: (61 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero checks, UTG bets 58 BB, Hero calls 58 BB

River: (177 BB, 2 players) J

Hero checks, UTG bets 61.8 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 61.8 BB

That's the way I played the hand. I think It's a standard line while 100 bb deep, but what about 149 bb eff stack or more. Should we give him initiative?

Last edited by DatoGio; 06-10-2015 at 04:21 PM.

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06-10-2015 , 05:00 PM

Brokenstars

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wp

we only have 9 hands on the guy, but just saying that the sizings he chose are usually indicative of something nutted. In a theory pov this is wp though.

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06-10-2015 , 05:06 PM

DatoGio

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars

we only have 9 hands on the guy

Yes but PTR had a lot of hands on him

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06-10-2015 , 07:17 PM

Brokenstars

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...... You bought hand histories, or...?

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06-10-2015 , 11:24 PM

grinder4all

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Don't know why you're 3betting pre.

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06-11-2015 , 03:44 AM

DatoGio

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars

...... You bought hand histories, or...?

Just looked him up quickly before deciding what to do pre.

Quick look at basic stats is more than enough to determine if villain is aggressive or passive and they are mostly bad at 5nl.

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06-11-2015 , 03:49 AM

DatoGio

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Originally Posted by grinder4all

Don't know why you're 3betting pre.

I'm value 3betting pre.

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06-11-2015 , 05:00 AM

sovo

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I'd be cbeting this flop, than x/c turn to induce and to not be priced out from our draw.

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06-11-2015 , 05:50 AM

grinder4all

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Originally Posted by DatoGio

I'm value 3betting pre.

Don't really see the 'value'. He'll open about 18% in MP and defend around 8%. Against that range, you're flipping, this hand plays well as a call, and can defend against what looks to be a squeeze happy BB too.

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06-11-2015 , 09:19 AM

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DatoGio

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Originally Posted by grinder4all

You're absolutely right when opponent is reg. However when opponent is maniac with stats 50\30 and 4.0 aggression frequency I'm pretty sure he is defending much wider than 8% (8% plus all suited aces as minimum, but much much wider in reality), plus eff stack is 149 bb, I had to begin building the pot right from beginning.

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06-11-2015 , 10:05 AM

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markodpoker

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Originally Posted by DatoGio

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UTG: 149.8 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)

???

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06-11-2015 , 10:58 AM

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DatoGio

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I forgot to mention, in the first post, that I looked him up on PTR, I mentioned it in post #6. Sorry, my bad

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06-11-2015 , 11:57 AM

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strikershank

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Generally against 3betting UTG with AQ when we'll play a bloated pot oop - if we get 4bet we should fold and if villain flats we have to worry about AK should an A flop.

I think you can fold river despite the odds. is villain playing AT this way? Is villain even playing A7 or A6? You lose to basically every ace and the AJ hand you were beating gets there on the river. Not as worried about the backdoor flush, but the fact villain isn't either is concerning.

Give stack size and UTG's turn raise, why not jam him on turn. that's my play. not sure that makes it the right play, so....

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06-11-2015 , 04:59 PM

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Brokenstars

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It's more MP position btw.

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06-11-2015 , 06:13 PM

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DatoGio

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I don't believe this kind of player is betting something, worth betting, so hard on three streets. They always have temptation to slow play monsters, even on super coordinated boards, it's ingrained in their DNA. So this is clearly a bluff in my book, most of the time.

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06-11-2015 , 06:34 PM

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DatoGio

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars

It's more MP position btw.

Yes it's MP, one player is missing at the table.

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06-11-2015 , 06:43 PM

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DatoGio

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Originally Posted by strikershank

Give stack size and UTG's turn raise, why not jam him on turn. that's my play. not sure that makes it the right play, so....

Seems you never put him on bluff/semi bluff ott?

He is clearly a maniac 50\30, do you realy think he understands pot odds and never folds to reraise after betting big ott?

He is in a betting state, it's a criminal to help him get out of it. That's realy a spot, where being a calling station is profitable imo.

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06-12-2015 , 12:00 PM

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strikershank

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^: your stats are only 9 hands on UTG and even then he's a 33/22 not a 50/30. You have no read on the villain.

And as a default, without reads, i assume UTG who fires PSB bets on flop/turn isn't likely bluffing

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