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11-18-2020 , 06:29 AM

kontost

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This is a board that favors IP player. Could we go for range bet 1/2pot?

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $0.83 (17 bb)
MP: $5.18 (104 bb)
CO: $7.94 (159 bb)
BU (Hero): $6.31 (126 bb)
SB: $1.63 (33 bb)
BB: $6.03 (121 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with K♣ K♠
1 fold, MP raises to $0.15, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets to $0.50, 2 players fold, MP calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.07) Q♠ A♣ 8♠ (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.55

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11-18-2020 , 06:37 AM

Brokenstars

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i usually just bet 25% range here

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11-18-2020 , 06:46 AM

kontost

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars

i usually just bet 25% range here

If you get raised sth like 1/2pot, you muck this combo?
Would you range bet 25% the same flop rainbow?

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11-18-2020 , 06:48 AM

Brokenstars

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Originally Posted by kontost

If you get raised sth like 1/2pot, you muck this combo?
Would you range bet 25% the same flop rainbow?

1. Pretty sure oop is supposed to raise a fk ton in these types of spots oop vs a 25% range bet which doesn't really happen. So you could probably exploitatively fold pretty often

2. yes

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11-18-2020 , 07:39 AM

Franchise804

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars

1. Pretty sure oop is supposed to raise a fk ton in these types of spots oop vs a 25% range bet

This is more so on account of the bet size or because they have AQ in their range?

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11-18-2020 , 08:15 AM

kolotoure2.0

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Don't see why them having AQ would make it a raise for the OOP player when we have all the AQ combos too

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11-18-2020 , 08:39 AM

AimHigher

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x/c is still a perfectly fine option too imo.

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11-18-2020 , 10:37 AM

flair1239

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I most often check this spot. With the intention of calling a turn bet and playing poker on the river. If I am checked to on the turn, I will usually bet a brick.

There are lots of reasons to check. I used to auto bet most flops. I took the upswing poker course and have had a lot better results. I am still C-betting around 60% of my flops. But I think I am getting better value out of these middling hands by inducing bluffs.

You have to have a checking range here and this is as good of hand as any.

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11-18-2020 , 11:51 AM

kolotoure2.0

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Originally Posted by flair1239

I most often check this spot. With the intention of calling a turn bet and playing poker on the river. If I am checked to on the turn, I will usually bet a brick.

There are lots of reasons to check. I used to auto bet most flops. I took the upswing poker course and have had a lot better results. I am still C-betting around 60% of my flops. But I think I am getting better value out of these middling hands by inducing bluffs.

You have to have a checking range here and this is as good of hand as any.

Not sure I agree that this is true

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11-18-2020 , 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by flair1239

I think the reason people prefer betting range is that it simplifies our decision. We don't have to try to figure out when to check or when to bet.

The reason that checking can be okay is that we really can't get 3 streets of value, and when good, our hand doesn't need a ton of protection.

If you do typically bet range in this spot, then as an exploit, you can check back against people that fold to cbets a lot and like to probe turns.

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11-18-2020 , 12:38 PM

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It's not a range bet but ranging might be better vs people who don't XR enough.

Just to give you an idea of how much XRing should be going on here. If we 1/3 range - Villain should be 3x XRing our range bet between 45-50% Frequency and NEVER having a calling range.

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11-18-2020 , 12:44 PM

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PROPOSITION_JOE

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Just to give you an idea of how much XRing should be going on here. If we 1/3 range - Villain should be 3x XRing our range bet between 45-50% Frequency and NEVER having a calling range.

i know its going to be an aggressive number given the small cbet sizing but you 100% on this? that seems super aggro for x/r.

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11-18-2020 , 01:08 PM

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kontost

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

It's not a range bet but ranging might be better vs people who don't XR enough.

I ve studied flop textures for SRP and it really helped me. But I cannot apply what I ve learned in 3bet pots so I go for the range type frequent bet most of time. Is working with solver my only choice?

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11-18-2020 , 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PROPOSITION_JOE

i know its going to be an aggressive number given the small cbet sizing but you 100% on this? that seems super aggro for x/r.

We put all his non top pair in tough spots by doing this.

Also HJ's calling range is much more condensed than BTN's 3bet range. BTN has over 3x as many combos in his pre flop range. So if he just start's willy nilly range cbetting - HJ reacts by becoming very aggro.

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11-18-2020 , 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kontost

I think coaches help more than solvers since almost everyone uses solvers incorrectly when they first start out. And you need good ranges preflop to make sure you are getting correct outputs.

But yeah it's one or the other or both.

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